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Old 03-25-2014, 07:31 PM
 
Location: Grand Rapids Metro
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Wrong. Opinions evolve. Now that being gay is less taboo, more people are more open about it. People that were previously opposed may no longer be once they realize they have a gay relative, neighbor, coworker, etc., that they care about.
Exactly. In addition, someone still may be opposed to it, but doesn't feel as strongly about denying rights to others they don't agree with. Opinions go from "strongly opposed" to "indifferent" to "aren't there roads that need to be fixed" and other issues of the day.

Since I believe 17 States have ruled similarly that bans on gay marriage are unconstitutional, the dominoes are falling.
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Old 03-25-2014, 08:17 PM
 
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50 years ago being gay or lesbian was officially considered a mental illness. People's opinion on the subject are progressing toward acceptance at the same rate of change in computer technology. The state law banning Same Sex Marriage was passed 10 years ago and in the computer world, that time frame represents generations.

In other words, a computer from 2004 - though still operable - is by most account, obsolete today. The same logic applies when taking account the general view of gay marriage by Michiganders in 2004 and believing that the majority still think the same today. In 1994 and most definitely in 1984, there would not have even been a discussion on the matter as the idea of legalization would have immediately thrown out without any debate.
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Old 03-25-2014, 09:32 PM
 
Location: west mich
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I just hope that one day gay people marrying won't be news or even comment-worthy, but simply another day in the life of regular folks.

I'm all "OK whatever" about it. My father was gay and he would have been very happy to see signs of acceptance such as this; something he never saw in his life time. It makes me sad and angry that he was marginalized his whole life and never had the chance to feel accepted.
Like everybody else I have always had gays in my life - aunts, uncles, high school and miscellaneous friends.
Most seemed generally "cooler" than others, more active, open minded, educated, doing interesting things and involved. Of course they were mostly closeted, but looking back you get "aha" moments.
Gays in Detroit had businesses, and they do the same in West Michigan. My gay uncle fought in WW2 and brought a friend home. A gay high school friend was one of the few who owned a car. Gays were in the USAF when I served (though they weren't "allowed").
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Old 03-26-2014, 04:41 AM
 
Location: Past: midwest, east coast
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I used to live in metro Detroit (Rochester-area) and for the most part people were conservative. I remember a lot of my neighbors supported Bush both times. That doesn't equate with people being socially-conservative, but I think there's a correlation. I only remember a couple instances where I actually interacted with gay folks. There's not a lot of them in metro Detroit.

At the time I moved, gay marriage was not such a big issue like it is today. Nowadays, the media, entertainment industry, and politicians bombard you with their pro-gay agenda so I'm sure opinions have changed somewhat.
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Old 03-26-2014, 06:49 AM
 
Location: Grand Rapids Metro
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I used to live in metro Detroit (Rochester-area) and for the most part people were conservative. I remember a lot of my neighbors supported Bush both times. That doesn't equate with people being socially-conservative, but I think there's a correlation. I only remember a couple instances where I actually interacted with gay folks. There's not a lot of them in metro Detroit.

At the time I moved, gay marriage was not such a big issue like it is today. Nowadays, the media, entertainment industry, and politicians bombard you with their pro-gay agenda so I'm sure opinions have changed somewhat.
"Pro gay agenda."

How about the $multi-billion dollar wedding industry, bombarding girls with the notion of the big expensive fancy church wedding and the $10,000 gown from the time they're 12 years old. No agenda there? Especially when half of them end in failure and the couple has $20,000 (nowadays) in credit card debt from the reception.

Yes, that heterosexual construct of weddings and marriage must be preserved at all costs. Like, who would even throw the bouquet??? Pro gay agenda be damned.
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Old 03-26-2014, 10:57 AM
 
Location: On the brink of WWIII
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Exactly. In addition, someone still may be opposed to it, but doesn't feel as strongly about denying rights to others they don't agree with. Opinions go from "strongly opposed" to "indifferent" to "aren't there roads that need to be fixed" and other issues of the day.

Since I believe 17 States have ruled similarly that bans on gay marriage are unconstitutional, the dominoes are falling.
The gay marriage, equality issue is all hyped by religion.
The problem is that society has and is using religion to justify how others are treated.
Religion was used to justify genocide against the Native Americans and the boarding Schools. Treatment of African Americans from time eternal, almost every war that has ever happened on this planet, and even the right to health care.

I seriously believe we need to spend more time reading the Constitution and less time listening to old white men.

Once we are able to rule out religious influences, I think we all get along so much better.
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Old 03-26-2014, 11:59 PM
 
Location: Past: midwest, east coast
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"Pro gay agenda."

How about the $multi-billion dollar wedding industry, bombarding girls with the notion of the big expensive fancy church wedding and the $10,000 gown from the time they're 12 years old. No agenda there? Especially when half of them end in failure and the couple has $20,000 (nowadays) in credit card debt from the reception.

Yes, that heterosexual construct of weddings and marriage must be preserved at all costs. Like, who would even throw the bouquet??? Pro gay agenda be damned.
You sound so open-minded.
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Old 03-27-2014, 02:37 AM
 
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I support gay marriage because a) my wife and I have quite a few same sex couple friends who would like to get married or have their marriage from another State recognized here, b) any restriction of civil rights is dangerous to us all c) making the entire populace adhere to 3 or 4 select bible verses is a very dangerous precedent that opens the door to other religious beliefs seeping into public policy (ie legalized gender discrimination in Muslim-American communities)
I expected to read that you support it because it allows gay couples to adopt children. You forgot that one, and for many including the 6 million who marched in France, this is what makes them vote no. When agencies don't even let obese people, smokers, singles, ect.... adopt kids.
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Old 03-27-2014, 02:40 AM
 
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and less time listening to old white men.
Was it necessary to put the word "white" in there? Tells a lot about who you are.

Not cool.
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Old 03-27-2014, 02:47 AM
 
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The state law banning Same Sex Marriage was passed 10 years ago and in the computer world, that time frame represents generations.
Actually, I think it represents bullying and bombardment. I just took a live poll online, and I was so shocked at the results I took a screen shot. 82% of the USA does not support gay marriage.....still. It seems the media wishes us to believe otherwise.

The most shocking thing about the poll, is you could float your cursor over the states to see individual %'s. Cali was against 82% (no shock there, cause they voted it down twice). The real shock? The most amount of support came from a quieter state like Arkansas or something... can't recall now. Didn't screen shot that one.
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