[mofromcheboygankalamazoo]

i just have to say having lived in both DC and Philly- DC is actually closer to detroit than philly is.............just sayin.....

[Paull0987]

Hey-Im not far from there!!!

Originally Posted by 4WD Greg

I can't imagine anything better. You anti-government folks might want to try Clour de Alene. It sounds more like your style.

[Dwatted Wabbit]

Originally Posted by 4WD Greg

I can't imagine anything better. You anti-government folks might want to try Clour de Alene. It sounds more like your style.

If you're talking about Coeur d'Alene, ID, there is a city and county government there.

Streets are paved, there are stoplights, and even eatin' places and gas stations!

There is a state government, too.

And folks wear shoes, and not everyone walks down the street with a shotgun slung over one shoulder, a jug of 'shine over the other, and The Revolutionist's Primer in his back pocket.

And the Fairgrounds is not populated by Mountain Men at Rendezvous, a-rasslin and a-drinkin and a-whoopin and a-fightin injuns and a-gamblin and a-chasin wimmins and a-tradin critter skins and a-smokin their pipes and whatnot.

Most folks in Coeur d'Alene spell better than you do, too.

Sorry to disappoint.

[Brie85]

I have to agree with Burgler09, Michigan is not a very good place for young professionals. I am 22. Most of my friends who graduated college have moved out of the state just to get a job. Some who stayed have been hired and started their careers only to be laid off or have the company declare bankruptcy. Others in my family still have their jobs, but just barely. They keep holding their breath everytime more layoffs are announced. The only people I know in Michigan who aren't worried about losing their jobs work in healthcare. Outside of that, companies are packing up and moving to other areas. Sure Michigan is a good place to live if you have a job, but that is becoming a big if. With unemployment rising and more cuts expected from the auto companies, we can expect more competition for the few jobs still available. My husband and I have spent our entire lives here, expected to stay and raise our children here one day, but we are probably going to move out of state to find stable jobs.

[Bhaalspawn]

Originally Posted by Dwatted Wabbit

If you're talking about Coeur d'Alene, ID, there is a city and county government there.
...
And folks wear shoes, and not everyone walks down the street with a shotgun slung over one shoulder, a jug of 'shine over the other, and The Revolutionist's Primer in his back pocket.

Isn't that area infested with Neo-Nazis and other white supremacist types?

[michiganbob]

Originally Posted by Brie85

Most of my friends who graduated college have moved out of the state just to get a job. Some who stayed have been hired and started their careers only to be laid off or have the company declare bankruptcy. Others in my family still have their jobs, but just barely. They keep holding their breath everytime more layoffs are announced. The only people I know in Michigan who aren't worried about losing their jobs work in healthcare. Outside of that, companies are packing up and moving to other areas.

Healthcare may not be the employment savior people thought it would be. In Lansing we are hearing word that one of the big hospitals in town is offering staff with more than 5 years experience and "early out" . . . of six weeks pay! Staff can take it voluntarily or layoffs will start. Have not seen this story confirmed in the media, so I won't name names, but anyone who thought that a healthcare job was "safe" in Michigan is going to be disappointed. As more people move out of the State, fewer people will go in for care. As more people lose their factory jobs with benefits, fewer people will be able to afford medical care.

I never quite understood why some people thought that healthcare would be a growth industry in a declining market?

[GraniteStater]

Originally Posted by michiganbob

Healthcare may not be the employment savior people thought it would be. In Lansing we are hearing word that one of the big hospitals in town is offering staff with more than 5 years experience and "early out" . . . of six weeks pay! Staff can take it voluntarily or layoffs will start. Have not seen this story confirmed in the media, so I won't name names, but anyone who thought that a healthcare job was "safe" in Michigan is going to be disappointed. As more people move out of the State, fewer people will go in for care. As more people lose their factory jobs with benefits, fewer people will be able to afford medical care.

I never quite understood why some people thought that healthcare would be a growth industry in a declining market?

Demographics...Most rural counties now have greater than 20% of the total population over age 65. Healthcare will continue to be a growth industry in many areas of the Midwest and Plains. The largest employers in most smaller towns/rural areas are 1) city government 2) schools 3) hospital 4) service sector jobs, and manufacturing.

[Bluefly]

Originally Posted by Ivycreeping

Ok, then, you tell me how to become a psychologist without going to graduate school.

I'm not sure being a psychologist is a smart path for you. Just judging by your posts, I'm not sure you possess the balanced worldview necessary. If you can't relate to people who think Chicago is nice, how could you solve anyone's problems?

You seem to believe certain places are "somewhere" and certain other places are "nowhere" (why blue collar bastions like Boston or Pittsburgh are more desireable than Chicago in your mind is beyond me).

Anyway - it's just a typical East Coast bias. I've lived in both. I guess if all of your clientele bought into that bias, you might be alright in your assumptions.

Good luck, though.

[TrippingJay]

Originally Posted by Ivycreeping

And Chicago sucks.

I never said that it didn't have people. I said that I didn't understand the people.

You have to drive about 7 or more hours to get to mountains, and 12 to get to the ocean. From the South East side of Michigan it's:

12 hours to New York City
5 hours to Pittsburgh
10 hours to Philly
15 hours to Boston
20 or so hours to Washington D.C.
2-3 days to California

And the reason why I'm here is because my parents moved me from New York/New Jersey, my mother guilted me into going to college here, and now the economy is so horrible that I can't get enough money to move, and I'm basically being forced into completing my M.A. here. Believe me...if my circumstances would have been more in my favor, I would have moved a LONG time ago.

SE MI is not 20 hours to DC, try 8-9 hours with PA traffic at the max.

[malamute]

Originally Posted by Brie85

I have to agree with Burgler09, Michigan is not a very good place for young professionals. I am 22. Most of my friends who graduated college have moved out of the state just to get a job. Some who stayed have been hired and started their careers only to be laid off or have the company declare bankruptcy. Others in my family still have their jobs, but just barely. They keep holding their breath everytime more layoffs are announced. The only people I know in Michigan who aren't worried about losing their jobs work in healthcare. Outside of that, companies are packing up and moving to other areas. Sure Michigan is a good place to live if you have a job, but that is becoming a big if. With unemployment rising and more cuts expected from the auto companies, we can expect more competition for the few jobs still available. My husband and I have spent our entire lives here, expected to stay and raise our children here one day, but we are probably going to move out of state to find stable jobs.

It's going to be too late to move very soon, the rest of the country is starting to face recession and cuts, in which case you might be better staying where your families are and having that kind of support.

You're better off jobless where you can move in with other family members than being jobless some place where you don't know anyone. It just depends on the situation but soon too many people will be trying to grab up what jobs there are.