[ram2]

Originally Posted by Coldjensens

Pretty sure Case-Western is about on par with Wayne State.

Not even close.


U of M is more on par with Wayne State due to all the sub-standard students U of M accepts to make their student body more diverse.

[Republic of Michigan]

Originally Posted by Coldjensens

Pretty sure Case-Western is about on par with Wayne State.

Ah no, Case Western is way above Wayne State!

[brodie734]

Originally Posted by ram2

Not even close.


U of M is more on par with Wayne State due to all the sub-standard students U of M accepts to make their student body more diverse.

UM's bottom 25th percentile ACT scores are higher than any other public school in Michigan aside from MSU's 75th percentile scores. The myth that they're taking in a bunch of kids with 18 ACT scores in order to promote diversity is ridiculous... UM receives nearly twice as many applicants as any school in the state, it doesn't have to settle in terms of selecting a diverse student body

but keep on ****ing that chicken

[TheProf]

Originally Posted by ram2

What about University of Illinois at Chicago ?

My guess is that it is perceived much the way U-M Dearborn or Flint are perceived: the local branch of the prestigious flagship public university, but nowhere near the prestige of the home campus away from the city.

[usroute10]

Originally Posted by ram2

Not even close.


U of M is more on par with Wayne State due to all the sub-standard students U of M accepts to make their student body more diverse.

Do you have some kind of bigoted agenda?

Please click on the link below that shows the percentage breakdown of ethnicities at the University of Michigan in Fall 2012.

https://studentlife.umich.edu/files/...aphics2012.pdf

It shows that blacks made up 4.6% of the student population, Hispanics 3.9%, Native Americans 0.2%. So underrepresented minorities made up just 8.7% of the student population!

But blacks make up 14% of the state's population, we are substantially underrepresented! What would be an acceptable proportion of black students at the University of Michigan for you? 2.2%? 1.1%?

Look at the spreadsheet that can be downloaded from the below link. It shows that in the Fall 2015 semester, there were a whopping 36 black students in the Law School (there were 613 white students)! That school is really being overrun by unworthy black folks!

Ethnicity Reports - Office of the Registrar

[edsg25]

Originally Posted by TheProf

My guess is that it is perceived much the way U-M Dearborn or Flint are perceived: the local branch of the prestigious flagship public university, but nowhere near the prestige of the home campus away from the city.

Not even close, prof. UIC is the second highest ranked public university in Illinois. It is home to the Univ of I'll medical school amd is a major research university itcertainly is not considered a branch campus

[ram2]

Originally Posted by brodie734

UM's bottom 25th percentile ACT scores are higher than any other public school in Michigan aside from MSU's 75th percentile scores. The myth that they're taking in a bunch of kids with 18 ACT scores in order to promote diversity is ridiculous... UM receives nearly twice as many applicants as any school in the state, it doesn't have to settle in terms of selecting a diverse student body

but keep on ****ing that chicken

I guess that reverse discrimination lawsuit was imaginary....

[brodie734]

Originally Posted by TheProf

My guess is that it is perceived much the way U-M Dearborn or Flint are perceived: the local branch of the prestigious flagship public university, but nowhere near the prestige of the home campus away from the city.

Originally Posted by edsg25

Not even close, prof. UIC is the second highest ranked public university in Illinois. It is home to the Univ of I'll medical school amd is a major research university itcertainly is not considered a branch campus

It's maybe instructive to consider that there are different types of university systems:

- UIC (like UCLA, UNC-Charlotte,, UW-Milwaukee and others) is presented as being an autonomous university equal in status and stature to the campus in Champaign-Urbana. These schools are geographically isolated from the flagship campus, branded independently and each campus is more or less allowed to develop into it's own comprehensive research university. These schools are disproportionately residential and urban. These schools offer their own top division athletic programs.

- UM-D and UM-F (like the University of Washington-Tacoma, Oklahoma State-OKC and Ohio State-Marion) are small schools presented as satellites of a larger institution. These schools emphasize their connection to their flagship through uniform branding and they tend to be located relatively close to the main campus in spite of being in many ways functionally independent. These schools don't offer doctoral programs and thus are considered second tier nationally. These schools encourage students to affiliate with the primary's campus's athletic programs through student tickets (UM-Flint and Dearborn have both provided members of UM's marching band).

The first type tend to have begun their lives as a partnership between the state's flagship school and local governments to establish large, research based universities in big cities using existing resources, hence their independence. The second type tend to have evolved from local education centers or two year junior/senior colleges into full four year schools gradually, hence their physical and institutional closeness. The former are, for fairly obvious reasons, better known nationally than the latter, many of which are unheard of.

Originally Posted by ram2

I guess that reverse discrimination lawsuit was imaginary....

Which one? The one UM won or the one UM lost? The one they won was the bigger deal as it was considered a benchmark ruling. The one they lost was a bit of a farce... the plaintiffs were college Republicans actively sought out by a GOP thinktank to sue the school over a policy that was not in place when the plaintiffs applied to UM (the primary plaintiff, Jennifer Gratz, would have gotten into UM had she accepted a waitlist position). But this is moot as UM no longer uses the same points system and the system they had been using was made unconstitutional under state law.

[TheProf]

Originally Posted by edsg25

Not even close, prof. UIC is the second highest ranked public university in Illinois. It is home to the Univ of I'll medical school amd is a major research university itcertainly is not considered a branch campus

OK then, perhaps, UIC is more like U. Cal at San Francisco which houses the regional medical school (which serves as Berkeley's de facto, in/big city medical school, since there is none at Berkeley). The Hastings Law school has a cooperative relationship with U. Cal-SF, but is not a substitute for a Berkeley law school, as Berkeley hosts the prestigious Boalt Hall School of Law.

Cal (which is huge reflecting it's gigantic home state) though seems different than UI's system, principally because it operates a system of 9 or 10 semi-antonymous campuses, each of which is highly prestigious in their own right -- with Berkeley, UCLA, UC-SD and UC-Davis at the top of the list. I just don't see UIC having a Cal-campus kind of presence.

[edsg25]

Originally Posted by TheProf

OK then, perhaps, UIC is more like U. Cal at San Francisco which houses the regional medical school (which serves as Berkeley's de facto, in/big city medical school, since there is none at Berkeley). The Hastings Law school has a cooperative relationship with U. Cal-SF, but is not a substitute for a Berkeley law school, as Berkeley hosts the prestigious Boalt Hall School of Law.

Cal (which is huge reflecting it's gigantic home state) though seems different than UI's system, principally because it operates a system of 9 or 10 semi-antonymous campuses, each of which is highly prestigious in their own right -- with Berkeley, UCLA, UC-SD and UC-Davis at the top of the list. I just don't see UIC having a Cal-campus kind of presence.

I never suggested that UIC is the same quality of university as U of C or that it ranks with Cal, UCLA or most of the UCs. What I said was that it is a large, major, academically respected research university and is by no means a branch campus. UIC is the largest university in Chicagoland, second largest (to Urbana) and was the only non Big Ten university to have ever been part of the prestigious CIC other than the Univ of Chgo

the "Cal"of which you speak does not exist. There is no Cal system. Cal is a university...UC Berkeley; UC is the system.. And all UCs are indep of each other. There are no branches and the system, all research universities, occupies the top rung of the Calif higher edu system, above the CSUs and the jucos
Prof, I have to say I diagree with you about your description of the UC system. At one time, before the system developed, the UC med center in SF was tconsidered part of Cal, with Davis viewed as Cal's ag campus. This is no longer true. UCSF is its own university, albeit one that is dedicated to the medical field and only offers post grad education. And obviously UC Davis has evolved into a complete university, even having a med school (which Cal does not)

Not all flagship public universities have a med school. The university of Oregon does not. And there isno major med school affiliated with UIUCp