07-15-2016, 07:20 PM
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Yes. Soliciting refers to asking for money/donations/purchase of goods-services.
Even if you have a "no soliciting" sign one can still knock on your door. That's what Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses do.
The United States Supreme Court has consistently upheld a constitutional right to knock on someone’s door as a form of free speech as long as it is within normal waking hours (e.g. not 3am) without the need to get a permit etc.
https://scholar.google.com/scholar_c...804874&scilh=0 - Excerpt from the SC case.
07-16-2016, 02:22 PM
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...That's what Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses do...
If the Mormons come by, please be nice to them - they're just brainwashed 19 year old kids who don't know any better
, maybe ask them to do your yardwork or to help with a project. I can promise you they'd be happier doing that than having to harass more strangers about their version of Jesus. Then as they help you, introduce them to concepts such as how happy you are
without Mormonism or how most religious people have felt some sort of confirmation that their religion is right for them. Inspire them to research topics like polyandry and racism in the church or to learn what an anachronism is. Offer them a Pepsi afterward or if you're younger maybe invite 'em over to play video games or watch a movie with you (all things they're not allowed to do for two years). Then just maybe they'll see how normal you are, go back to Utah, reevaluate their life and beliefs, be disowned by their family and friends for doing so, and then end up in Michigan - a beautiful place where they can learn to further discover themselves and be free!
Oh and ... yeah, totally legal. Just... make sure to rattle fences to check for dogs, don't stand directly in front of the door, and if you knock and nobody answers, leave.
07-16-2016, 03:04 PM
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belleislerunner
Yes. Soliciting refers to asking for money/donations/purchase of goods-services.
Even if you have a "no soliciting" sign one can still knock on your door. That's what Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses do.
The United States Supreme Court has consistently upheld a constitutional right to knock on someone’s door as a form of free speech as long as it is within normal waking hours (e.g. not 3am) without the need to get a permit etc.
https://scholar.google.com/scholar_c...804874&scilh=0 - Excerpt from the SC case.
To solicit also means:
to seek for (something) by entreaty, earnest or respectful request, formal application, etc.
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belleislerunner
Yes. Soliciting refers to asking for money/donations/purchase of goods-services.
Even if you have a "no soliciting" sign one can still knock on your door. That's what Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses do.
The United States Supreme Court has consistently upheld a constitutional right to knock on someone’s door as a form of free speech as long as it is within normal waking hours (e.g. not 3am) without the need to get a permit etc.
https://scholar.google.com/scholar_c...804874&scilh=0 - Excerpt from the SC case.
It's also your right as a homeowner to tell them to get the *** (fill in the blank) off the property. A 1971 ruling by SCOTUS (Cohen v. California) allows the use of swear words, with some restrictions.
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If the Mormons come by, please be nice to them - they're just brainwashed 19 year old kids who don't know any better
, maybe ask them to do your yardwork or to help with a project. I can promise you they'd be happier doing that than having to harass more strangers about their version of Jesus. Then as they help you, introduce them to concepts such as how happy you are
without Mormonism or how most religious people have felt some sort of confirmation that their religion is right for them. Inspire them to research topics like polyandry and racism in the church or to learn what an anachronism is. Offer them a Pepsi afterward or if you're younger maybe invite 'em over to play video games or watch a movie with you (all things they're not allowed to do for two years). Then just maybe they'll see how normal you are, go back to Utah, reevaluate their life and beliefs, be disowned by their family and friends for doing so, and then end up in Michigan - a beautiful place where they can learn to further discover themselves and be free!
Oh and ... yeah, totally legal. Just... make sure to rattle fences to check for dogs, don't stand directly in front of the door, and if you knock and nobody answers, leave.
I tried that in TN, and it worked, two of them ended up being more interested in my Corvette, why I always carried a gun but was not a cop, etc. (They rented a condo just across the lot from me). However, having lived in MI (Rochester Hills) I found they are NOT always the same friendly critters. There was an LDS church in Rochester that sent these mormons out like flies on poop. That's where I started using the four letter word to get off the porch. I really grew tired of them bothering me.
When I moved to UT, they weren't as bad as MI, but still more bothersome than in TN. Now here in ID...the Jehovahs are extremely pesky; more so than the mormons.
(Now overseas, you can spot them a mile away....but when they come across Americans, they just want to talk; no religion involved. I guess they are just happy to carry on a discussion with someone from the USA.)
Still amazes me how you came from UT to live in MI and you like it, while I basically came from MI. (Born there, high school and even college). But after college took off only to be posted there for three years just before retiring, then basically retiring to UT and now settling in ID. I guess it could be cause I grew up there in the 50s/60s and when moving back there in 2005, I saw how the city I grew up in turned into a cesspool; worse than some third world cities I had worked in.
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07-17-2016, 11:24 AM
Location: Metro Detroit
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And from my perspective it amazes me how one could move from a beautiful metro, like Detroit, to Utah/Idaho and love it. all feel like Livonia or Farmington Hills. They're nice, but they're all incredibly generic and have nothing special about them. Then the attractions here are all bigger, better; which is to be expected for a metro of 4 million vs a metro of 1 million (or 400k). Also, affordability - the only places I could reasonably afford to own in Salt Lake County (West SLC, Midvale, West Valley) were the equivalents of Redford, Roseville or Warren. I don't really want to raise a family in a 900 square foot Redford/Midvale bungalow and send them to sub-par schools.
07-17-2016, 12:22 PM
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So, I will take it as a "yes"?
07-18-2016, 07:35 AM
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Yes it's perfectly legal.
07-18-2016, 10:13 AM
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Yes it's perfectly legal.
I don't get upset over that. But I understand your post!
Thanks all
07-19-2016, 11:58 AM
Location: Grand Rapids Metro
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Hi,
Yes, it's legal, does it really bother you that much?
Do you need a hug? #freehugs
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The only time it bothered me was when I was out weeding and mulching, and was quite tired and on my way inside. My back was turned and a candidate SHOUTED at me from my garage, causing me to become extremely startled. She insisted on talking with me, and I tried to be polite (few neighbors around)...the woman was pushy and rude and definitely insulting when I quietly mentioned issues that she didn't agree with! Seemed extremely egotistical. Hey, that's the political animal, I guess. All that I had encountered in the past were a lot more open-minded and cordial, though.
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People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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, maybe ask them to do your yardwork or to help with a project. I can promise you they'd be happier doing that than having to harass more strangers about their version of Jesus. Then as they help you, introduce them to concepts such as how happy you are without Mormonism or how most religious people have felt some sort of confirmation that their religion is right for them. Inspire them to research topics like polyandry and racism in the church or to learn what an anachronism is. Offer them a Pepsi afterward or if you're younger maybe invite 'em over to play video games or watch a movie with you (all things they're not allowed to do for two years). Then just maybe they'll see how normal you are, go back to Utah, reevaluate their life and beliefs, be disowned by their family and friends for doing so, and then end up in Michigan - a beautiful place where they can learn to further discover themselves and be free! 
