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Old 04-13-2008, 04:23 PM
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Teachers in MI rarely make 100K either. You have to do more than just teach. Coach, organize a club, tutor, mentor, teach summer school, etc... The straight teacher scales don't go that high.

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Old 04-15-2008, 07:09 PM
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I agree that Michigan is not the place to get a job as I teacher. I believe I jusy heard in the Saginaw Public schools that they will lay off 50-60 teachers. I was a parapro in a charter school for over 5 years and at first I was not sure what charter schools were all about. But.. I support them but some of them have some hard to deal with students. I found the teachers I worked with put their heart and soles into teaching children and would try different ways of teaching to reach a student, because not all kids learn the same. The school I was at went through several Music teachers. Many new teachers start at Charter schools and a job if you need one is a job.

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Old 04-17-2008, 04:33 PM
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I know three music majors who all got teaching jobs right after graduating from Central Michigan University. Coinsidentally, all of the teaching jobs were around the Flint area (Grand Blanc and I can't remember the other). Why, I do not know, but so far the only teachers I know who have been employeed are all music majors (one vocal, and two band).

I also know, that the school district I graduated from (Yale, which is in St. Clair County) has a very high turn-around for music teachers. Again, I don't know why this is but it's a fact.

All I can say is GOOD LUCK on your search! My fiance and I will be moving out of state in a year so he can teach high school history and it sucks!

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Old 04-17-2008, 05:46 PM
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^ Grand Blanc just opened a school for 06-07, was that the year they got their position? If so, that is likely why.


Right now, Genesee county has the following positions: HS Math, HS Science, MS French/Spanish combo and HS Art, and naturally, Special Ed.

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Old 04-17-2008, 06:46 PM
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Teachers in Gary Indiana routinely make 90 k or so. The worse off the area, the more money teachers make.

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Old 04-18-2008, 02:34 PM
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^ Grand Blanc just opened a school for 06-07, was that the year they got their position? If so, that is likely why.
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Right now, Genesee county has the following positions: HS Math, HS Science, MS French/Spanish combo and HS Art, and naturally, Special Ed.
Quite possibly! She did start last year, so I bet that's why! Also, I think she may be quitting at the end of the school year too, but I'm not positive. She just got married and all that jazz. Why you would quit a job, let alone a TEACHING job in the state of Michigan is beyond me....Especially if you just got married, starting out in life, and are thinking about starting a family! Anyway, you should keep your eyes on those districts!

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Old 04-19-2008, 05:30 PM
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I'm am eleven year Industrial/Technology teacher. My classroom was always located near the Band/Choir rooms. I taught in one school for 9 years run, and I saw 3 band teachers come and go and in Choir I saw 2 choir teachers come and the choir program was only 3 years old. That school was closed 2 years ago. In each highschool, there were 2 band teachers but then one position was cut. One band teacher has class sizes of 45+. Is that legal? I think for band teachers it is. Anyway, the few low seniority band teachers who remain commute to teach ALL of the elementary schools.
Needless to say, one oldhat is praying until he can retire in 2 years, another is praying while trying to keep the program afloat because enrollment is way way down. The other one has a great program going, large enrollment BUT fears his program will suffer from budget cutbacks and apathy towards the ARTS. Our fine art programs have also been stripped to the core in the last 5 years and more cuts are planned for the 2008/2009 school year.

AS a matter of fact Choir was not even offered in our MS until about 3 years ago and that cut bands budget in half. A one-term Superintendent from Chicago was a big music person and he revitalized the Music programs in our district. All schools began to seriously compete and gain some recognition, but since his departure the support for the music department is not there. It seems no one cares about elective/discovery courses.

In Michigan, they think Math and Science is the magic pill that will fix everything. The New HS Math/Science requirements (which truly is a basic college preparatory program which should have been in practice anyway :) strips students from enrolling into any elective. There is not enough time in their schedules after they cover the core requirements. As a result, all electives are suffering. Even the Career and Technical programs are suffering because the vocational programs require a half day of instruction. Students can not take Vo-tech anymore especially if the failed any class in the early high school years.

As a result of the changing times, I am laid off for the 2009 school year because they cut my program. Elective teachers are NOT considered necessary (well not in my district). There is no job security no matter your experience, seniority or plethora of certifications in your portfolio. I would say stay away from MIchigan if at all possible. I am desperate to relocate out-of-state myself. I am the last one out of my family of teachers to transition out of the state.

I tried to prevent my bushy tailed niece from becoming a teacher but she wouldn't listen. She was hired to teach Language Arts (TESOL in Florida) mid-year 2008 and laid off for 2009 before she truly unpacked. FIFO makes it difficult for any new teacher to even visualize earning seniority or tenure. My other family members have all abandoned their seniority and all have moved out-of-state (Florida and Georgia). Oh! Guess what! They are all CORE or Special Educaton teachers!

I am the only elective teacher in my family and I held on to my job because for awhile Technology Education was the new IN-thing. My job was one that they claimed would never see the chopping block because Michigan was dedicated to educating students for a new high-tech workforce! Yawnnnnnn! Until, the schools realized how expensive it was to run these programs with no money. How can you teach a computer class with no computers? Ask yourself this, how can you teach band without instruments? Have your students bring in soup cans, shoeboxes, and recyclables?

I'm a bit disgruntled today (just learned of my impending layoff Monday) but I'm sure there are some districts who value the program you seek. But, know that the competition is extremely high because many are facing layoffs again for the 5th year straight. Districts basically expect you to have a double Ph.d but only want to pay you lower working class wages. If you teach in a rich district then more than likely you won't be able to afford living near your teaching assignment in SE Michigan. Expect a long and traffic congested commute riddled with potholes. FWIW, gas is averaging $3.50 for 89 octane. The cost of living is extreme here. High insurance and taxes, but there are plenty of foreclosed homes up for grabs.

As a matter of fact, I have a lovely 2-3 bedroom home you could transition into as you relocate. Pay no mind, that the airport plans to expand and bulldoze through my home. They don't expect to start eminent domain negotiations for at least ten years. Interested? Give me a PM. LOL.

Ok. Back to my rant.

Luckily, I was able to dodge the "chopping block" bullets long enough to get a vested pension for 10+ years of service. It is time for me to cut my losses and hope for greener grasses elsewhere.

Good luck in your search. Plymouth-Canton, Birmingham, Bloomfield Hills, Farmington Hills are areas that I have heard need teachers. I would stay away from Wayne County (my county). Washtenaw County, Oakland County, Macomb County seem less disgruntled. I lived in Isabella County for 8 years (very small) but they are experiencing growth because of the Colleges and Casinos.

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Old 05-06-2008, 02:09 PM
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Try Elk Rapids Schools. I think I just saw a music position open.

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Old 05-28-2008, 08:53 PM
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I currently teach at a detroit charter school and i can say it has been for the most part a good experience. Working there provides a good resume and some valuable experience. I am looking into the public sector yet the charter route is a great way to get your feet wet. other than that, not many schools are hiring because of the horrible economy here.

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Old 06-01-2008, 05:27 PM
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I keep seeing where people talk about the population declining. This can't be true in any significant sense. Shifting maybe, stagnating maybe.
I'm going by traffic - more and more traffic. Used to be the commute on 94 was sort of light, except at peak times. Now it seems heavy all the time and downright awful during peak - if everyone is leaving why is here so much more traffic year after year?

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