Think hard before you relocate to Michigan (Detroit, Saginaw: second mortgage, debt)

[Bydand]

I would give you rep twice if I could for these posts Cato. I can once so the other will have to be a public virtual pat on the back. Good posts!

Those who say an extended education is useless, are generally those who don't have one. Not saying that is wrong, because I DON'T have anything past HS, but always wished I did. I will stand at the head of the line and state that higher education IS important and will serve someone well for their future. I know, because those around me that went on, are MUCH better set in this economy.

[marchair]

From what I have seen extended education is not a give that you will find work in Michigan, and it sure will not make your 400k home worth more when all around are dropping like poop form eagles.
and the eagle poop may be worth more in the next few years.
I just read an artical where the big three were asked why they do not build cars with high MPG like Japan? the answer was because the us likes it muscle cars..
I can tell you that the only people who do not have a clue more than the idiot in the white house is the heads of the little three.
at four and five a gallon the 500 HP charger and corvett are not going to do well any where but a museum. Can you say incompatant? As we go into 08 the us lost jobs. Michigan is on one stilt with many things sawing on it. Time is running out for michigan, homes may take 20 years to start to turn around. I think it is a very risky state to invest anything in. I would rather buy enron.LOL

[Cato the Elder]

There are no guarantees in life, period. You do a cost-benefit analysis for the choices in life and work with the results as best as possible. Education just happens to be one of the best returns in investment that one can find in life. Go to 2 years of community college followed by two years at a state school and choose your major carefully - a BS in underwater basket weaving will not do the trick. You can get a bachelors for a pretty low cost following this path. You just have to believe in it and yourself.

Oh, and tell your state representative to grow a couple and pass this f$%^&%$ law about alternative energy. They know it's the right thing to do. It won't create jobs overnight but we need to start setting ourselves up for the future instead of making knee-jerk decisions that pleases the masses but is nothing more than cotton candy.

[Bydand]

Originally Posted by marchair

From what I have seen extended education is not a give that you will find work in Michigan, and it sure will not make your 400k home worth more when all around are dropping like poop form eagles.
and the eagle poop may be worth more in the next few years.
I just read an artical where the big three were asked why they do not build cars with high MPG like Japan? the answer was because the us likes it muscle cars..
I can tell you that the only people who do not have a clue more than the idiot in the white house is the heads of the little three.
at four and five a gallon the 500 HP charger and corvett are not going to do well any where but a museum. Can you say incompatant? As we go into 08 the us lost jobs. Michigan is on one stilt with many things sawing on it. Time is running out for michigan, homes may take 20 years to start to turn around. I think it is a very risky state to invest anything in. I would rather buy enron.LOL

Yes but with an education you could ***** and people would be able to follow a coherent thought process. With proper spelling, instead of trying to decipher this mess, it would be much easier to follow and you wouldn't look like a fool quite as much.

Frankly if anybody bought a $400K house that was overvalued to begin with, then it isn't anybodies fault but their own. The Eagle poop analogy doesn't really work in this case at all. For one thing Eagles are still not a real common bird to see flying around so there isn't much poo falling around Michigan and for another I doubt anybody is going to pay much for it no matter what happens to house prices. A bit closer (but still stupid) analogy would have been to use the common Chick-a-dee, or Seagull as the poo originator.

[deslok]

Originally Posted by Acupunk

You say you left Michigan because of the complaining then you come to the MI forums filled with criticism. I happen to have friends and family here who are not lame and we enjoy life. I lived in many different places in the country and still love Michigan and never felt the need to trash the state or the people here.

Yeah, what's your point? I have friends in MIchigan that wouldn't get bent out of shape with that assessment. Lighten up and enjoy you're not lame friends.

[detshen]

Originally Posted by deslok

Yeah, what's your point? I have friends in MIchigan that wouldn't get bent out of shape with that assessment. Lighten up and enjoy you're not lame friends.

My point was clear. You left because of people complaining so you come to this forum and do the same thing? That's hypocritical.

[wanderer74]

Originally Posted by Bydand

Those who say an extended education is useless, are generally those who don't have one. Not saying that is wrong, because I DON'T have anything past HS, but always wished I did. I will stand at the head of the line and state that higher education IS important and will serve someone well for their future. I know, because those around me that went on, are MUCH better set in this economy.

I hope you're right. As I've posted before, I finished my BA last year and graduated with honors. I've been looking for work since August and finally found a job this week - working part-time as a barista at Starbucks for a couple cents above minimum wage. I loved getting my education and I strongly believe that education has its own rewards, but at the moment I'm definitely NOT feeling better set in this economy. In fact right now I am feeling like getting my degree was kind of stupid because I certainly am not reaping the rewards yet. In fact I'm not even going to make enough money at this job to make my student loan payments - and that's all I've been able to find after 7 months of looking for a job! If I leave the state it's much more likely that I'll be able to get a good job to make the degree worth it, though...

[malamute]

Originally Posted by Bydand

I would give you rep twice if I could for these posts Cato. I can once so the other will have to be a public virtual pat on the back. Good posts!

Those who say an extended education is useless, are generally those who don't have one. Not saying that is wrong, because I DON'T have anything past HS, but always wished I did. I will stand at the head of the line and state that higher education IS important and will serve someone well for their future. I know, because those around me that went on, are MUCH better set in this economy.

As someone who has employed people, an education alone doesn't guarantee much. More and more it doesn't guarantee basic literacy, and studies show that 20% of college graduates are functionally illiterate.

A work ethic is better. Someone who has never worked a job and gets out of school when over 30 years old is not necessarily going to be much of an employee. A coworker has a son like that. They've been putting him through school for many years, he's unable to hold down a job, is 32 and still living at home going to school figuring that if he just keeps going long enough, he's going to get a job that doesn't require much of him.

[malamute]

Originally Posted by marchair

From what I have seen extended education is not a give that you will find work in Michigan, and it sure will not make your 400k home worth more when all around are dropping like poop form eagles.
and the eagle poop may be worth more in the next few years.
I just read an artical where the big three were asked why they do not build cars with high MPG like Japan? the answer was because the us likes it muscle cars..
I can tell you that the only people who do not have a clue more than the idiot in the white house is the heads of the little three.
at four and five a gallon the 500 HP charger and corvett are not going to do well any where but a museum. Can you say incompatant? As we go into 08 the us lost jobs. Michigan is on one stilt with many things sawing on it. Time is running out for michigan, homes may take 20 years to start to turn around. I think it is a very risky state to invest anything in. I would rather buy enron.LOL

Even with a good solid education, there are no guarantees that you can sit in one place and expect the perfect well-paying job is going to land on you.

People who succeed often have to be flexible, willing to relocate, willing to take chances. Too many expect their parents to take out a second mortgage on the family home and other than show up to class, they won't have to make much of an effort.

I know of college graduates living on food stamps for that reason, they just took for granted that a degree would get them something and lack a strong work ethic. Someone with a strong work ethic will at least have an income, will not have to live with mom and dad into adulthood. I think that the days of a college degree guaranteeing someone a high paying cushy job are coming to an end.

The best thing is to have higher education and a work ethic, but it won't be better to have a big debt for college and no job.

[Bydand]

Originally Posted by malamute

As someone who has employed people, an education alone doesn't guarantee much. More and more it doesn't guarantee basic literacy, and studies show that 20% of college graduates are functionally illiterate.

A work ethic is better. Someone who has never worked a job and gets out of school when over 30 years old is not necessarily going to be much of an employee. A coworker has a son like that. They've been putting him through school for many years, he's unable to hold down a job, is 32 and still living at home going to school figuring that if he just keeps going long enough, he's going to get a job that doesn't require much of him.

As an Employer myself I have to agree that an education is not the ONLY thing a person needs to make themselves marketable. I guess I should have been clearer in that. A person needs to have the ability to get off their duff and actually DO something. Also, the education needs to be in a field that interests not only the individual, but is marketable as well. I know someone who went to school for 4 years for their degree, in Fine Art with a Classic French Impressionist major. He works at a newspaper, on the printer. I call it his BA in BS.