Michigan in a one state depression? (Clinton: homes, rent, travel)

[One Thousand]

Originally Posted by cliff

And if not for Bush's cronyism, MI would have a lot more defense contracts to get us through the war.

Are you sure you're not saying that? That's how it reads to me. It looks like you're saying that Bush owed Michigan defense contracts. Since Bush didn't deliver on that perceived obligation, MI would have many more jobs. Isn't that what you're saying?

Originally Posted by cliff

I'm saying that everyone blames Granholm for causing everything when she is almost the only one trying to correct the problem.

You think raising taxes during a recession has helped correct the problem? For that reason alone, the state is a laughing stock; a butt of jokes. Why would a business come to a state like that?

She's incompetent. This lady is kicking you in the shins and you're saying it's okay because she's trying to help you put your shoes on?

Originally Posted by cliff

The Big Three have had GENERATIONS to diversify and strengthen the state's economy and their own fortunes as well. They could be making sofas and pasta now as well as rolling iron. They could have a cosmetics empire along with the automotive one. But they're just sitting on their hands.

Help me out here. If I own GM stock and wanted to own a furniture manufacturer, why wouldn't I sell some of my GM stock and buy into a company that specializes in furniture?

Let me ask you this too. Why isn't it the fault of the union workers with their high pay not investing in start-up local companies to preserve the economy?

One last question. Why would the auto manufacturers invest in MI when the labor pool of MI has been a constant thorn in the side of management? Why wouldn't they just shut down their HQ's and head elsewhere?

[YAZ]

So I guess it's safe to assume that Guvna Jenny's "Cool Cities" initiative ain't workin'?

Wanna bring in more tax revenue?

Lower taxes. Sounds weird, but it works.

Wanna keep your job?

Stay productive, and work on being more efficient every day.

The company you work for doesn't owe you a thing except for the hours you've already worked. This mindset must be achieved to stop the bleeding. Young educated folks are leaving MI in droves, and if this trend continues, MI is gonna be a much different place in 20 years.

They'll be more deer than people.

[zakian]

Originally Posted by One Thousand

What makes you think the governor can fix your life? What has Granola or anyone else done to you to prevent you from filling a need immediately around you to make a living?

I'm not looking for Cantholdem to "fix" my life. Luckily I'm in a position to have been able to sit on my butt for 2 years, most can't. Cantholdems' JOB is to make this state prosper. She has done just the opposite. That's a big part of the equation "preventing" me from making a living. Hey I'm just one person and only have to worry about me. This isn't about me. Look at the big picture. Families. I know people that have known her for decades. They don't associate with her since she became the gov. I wonder why......... She has had more than enough time in office to show us SOME flicker of light at the end of the tunnel. She's still in the dark. I on the other hand HAVE seen the light, it's across the border.

[One Thousand]

Originally Posted by zakian

I'm not looking for Cantholdem to "fix" my life. Luckily I'm in a position to have been able to sit on my butt for 2 years, most can't. Cantholdems' JOB is to make this state prosper. She has done just the opposite. That's a big part of the equation "preventing" me from making a living. Hey I'm just one person and only have to worry about me. This isn't about me. Look at the big picture. Families. I know people that have known her for decades. They don't associate with her since she became the gov. I wonder why......... She has had more than enough time in office to show us SOME flicker of light at the end of the tunnel. She's still in the dark. I on the other hand HAVE seen the light, it's across the border.

You said it's always management's fault. I'm asking you what has she done wrong? And, I meant "fix your life" in a bigger context. What has she failed to do to fix the state, in your opinon?

I also think it's something of a misnomer, when we start blame-storming, to not point a jaundice eye at the electorate... How is an incompetent electorate going to spot a competent executive?

[YAZ]

On the bright side, Michigan has great unemployment benefits.

Compared to Arizona, anyway.

[Cclass84]

Michigan is not in a depression. i guess if you are in the bottom 20% then yes but guess what? u will be in a depression anyware u go in this country!

[zakian]

Originally Posted by One Thousand

You said it's always management's fault. I'm asking you what has she done wrong? And, I meant "fix your life" in a bigger context. What has she failed to do to fix the state, in your opinion?

I also think it's something of a misnomer, when we start blame-storming, to not point a jaundice eye at the electorate... How is an incompetent electorate going to spot a competent executive?

What has she done wrong. Failed. Failed to change the perception of Michigan.Failed to be an Ambassador. Failed to create a stable economy. Failed to show people and businesses that she has/is actually doing something to create a positive outlook as in " I have a economic plan IN MOTION that will draw people and businesses to the state", so I don't have to waste your tax dollars on oversea trips.. Nope. What I hear is: I'm having a study done........again.

And, I meant "fix your life" in a bigger context.
I also think it's something of a misnomer, when we start blame-storming, to not point a jaundice eye at the electorate... How is an incompetent electorate going to spot a competent executive?[/quote]
Would you clarify these?

Maybe we could get another walmart.

[zakian]

Originally Posted by Cclass84

Michigan is not in a depression. i guess if you are in the bottom 20% then yes but guess what? u will be in a depression anyware u go in this country!

That isn't even close to accurate. What if you're in teh bottom 20% in Conneticut?? Does that mean the state is in a depression?

Yaz, Arizonia has poor unemployment bennies? I wouldn't know as I had no problem securing employment when I lived there. I was sooo confident and positive about moving there-( see how I used the word positive in referring to that state Cclass?) that I bought a new house, new autos, paid cash for them, got the kids situated in school then looked for a job. Now Arizonia has it's issues but I would have been NUTS to think I could have done that if I moved here instead. The whole country is aware of this states situation. I believe you missed school that day.

[One Thousand]

Originally Posted by Zakian

Would you clarify these?

If the citizens really don't understand business and economics, is it reasonable to expect that they're going to recognize a candidate for governor who understand business and economics?

It's kind of like, looking at Obama vs. Romney. Romney obviously knows what it takes to run a business, but Americans will trust that Obama knows how to draw business even though he hasn't run one.

I'm asking, shouldn't you be throwing rotten eggs at your neighbors for voting for an obviously incompetent governor?

[zakian]

Originally Posted by One Thousand

If the citizens really don't understand business and economics, is it reasonable to expect that they're going to recognize a candidate for governor who understand business and economics?

It's kind of like, looking at Obama vs. Romney. Romney obviously knows what it takes to run a business, but Americans will trust that Obama knows how to draw business even though he hasn't run one.

I'm asking, shouldn't you be throwing rotten eggs at your neighbors for voting for an obviously incompetent governor?

I do. That isn't the issue though is it. You ever hired someone only to find out after the fact that the person is incontinent? I'll be the 1st in line to fire her. She was the lesser of two evils and should have quit by now. But what about the people that didn't vote for her, that was quite a few. So now the competent people and the incompetent people are stuck with her? She's the one where the buck stops isn't she? So everyone is stuck with her and the ones that can are leaving. Lets hire competent people to live here.