[kathys]

Jeff, you don't think to save money the electric company could let you go and hire someone for less money, less benefits, that is not possible? Unless you plan on retiring in a few years. The company would never do that. I am not an idiot. I know people need electricity, hospitals, etc. But if anyone thinks there job is secure in this day and age, I would not count on it. Thats all I have to say.

[southernlady5464]

My husband USE to work for Detroit Edison...he volunteered for the buy out last summer. Now they are doing the INvoluntary buyouts.

Yes, they need electricity but even that's not safe IN MI! Liz

[jeffncandace]

Originally Posted by kathys

Jeff, you don't think to save money the electric company could let you go and hire someone for less money, less benefits, that is not possible? Unless you plan on retiring in a few years. The company would never do that. I am not an idiot. I know people need electricity, hospitals, etc. But if anyone thinks there job is secure in this day and age, I would not count on it. Thats all I have to say.

Is this directed to me? I'm the one that said no job is secure, ever.

[jimbob2u]

The bottom line is michigan has nothing going for building it up now or in the future.
The auto industry is what has fuled the economy there for the last 50+ years.
So any one who says differant has no idea of what michigan is about.
Michigan will turn around every thing goes up and down.
But I do not believe it will be for at min. 7 years to as many as 20.
The tragic free fall started this winter for many.
And I do not believe that it will shake out for many years.
We are just starting to see the beginning of the big flush as many here are calling it.

[gonzotg]

Having lived in MI for 10 yrs and now in NC I am surprised at the overall love for NC.

It's not as if you get some golden ticket as soon as you cross the border here. Not to mention that you have some other cultural issues to deal with.

First off in all the posts in this thread there is very little mention of sub par schools. Compare this to message boards for southern states including NC. While your at it compare other statistics like crime. Yes Detriot is probably like Charlotte or Durham but you will notice that in smaller towns it is higher in the south.

There also is not as much recreation if you are into hunting, fishing, boating. More if your into NASCAR and ACC Basketball.

Yes there are more sunny days regardless of how you feel about cold vs. hot, but extreme heat (at least in southern NC) will keep you inside just like extreme cold.

That being said financial security is of utmost importance to everyone regardless of where home is. I live in a county that hovers in double digit unemployment with high crime and extremely poor schools but I moved for a job.

I liked Michigan (northern) and would move back but not without secure position.

Is the grass really greener? I don't know but I know you don't have any fire ants in yours!

[jeffncandace]

Originally Posted by gonzotg

Having lived in MI for 10 yrs and now in NC I am surprised at the overall love for NC.

It's not as if you get some golden ticket as soon as you cross the border here. Not to mention that you have some other cultural issues to deal with.

First off in all the posts in this thread there is very little mention of sub par schools. Compare this to message boards for southern states including NC. While your at it compare other statistics like crime. Yes Detriot is probably like Charlotte or Durham but you will notice that in smaller towns it is higher in the south.

There also is not as much recreation if you are into hunting, fishing, boating. More if your into NASCAR and ACC Basketball.

Yes there are more sunny days regardless of how you feel about cold vs. hot, but extreme heat (at least in southern NC) will keep you inside just like extreme cold.

That being said financial security is of utmost importance to everyone regardless of where home is. I live in a county that hovers in double digit unemployment with high crime and extremely poor schools but I moved for a job.

I liked Michigan (northern) and would move back but not without secure position.

Is the grass really greener? I don't know but I know you don't have any fire ants in yours!

Amen to this! I've lived in the south, and I don't miss all the poisinous bugs and critters...

[Wabbit]

As someone who has suffered through Arizona,
Texas and South Carolina It never ceases to amaze
me how the "Hot Spot" pushers on this site never seem
to mention the most miserable aspect of them all.
Bugs and critters.
They are an absolute nightmare in places without seasons.
Man I love Michigan.

[adler]

You want to talk about critters, I just left north michigan, and because I was moving I did not spry malython for mosquitos, every time you would walk across the lawn they would rise up by the thousands. I dont think fire ants have west nile virus do they?
I am not saying that one place is better than the other based on buggs. but dont try to tell me michigan has none. We have Mosquitos,black flys that leave huge welts,noseeums that bite and leave itchie spots like mosquitos.
And the cold is not near as easy to deal with as the heat. I have lived in several places of the southern us. and when it is hot, you can go out side in the shade sit and have a cool glass of tea. When it is 40 below zero and dont try to tell me it does not get that temp here, I lived in michigan for 38 years and it dam well does. you can not stand to be out side for more than 10 min, even drinking a cup of hot java. which will be frozen in ten min.
also the good weather is only from may, dont try to tell me that april is a good month, it is not. to sep. I have seen snow in july and many times in sep.
The days go dark at 4;30 and do not get light till 8;00 in the am in the winter. you feel like finding a cave and not coming out till spring, which is may.
If so many of you love michigan why the heck are you not there?
I think the people who say michigan is wonderful and have left are doing the same thing that the soviet pilot did who defected, after he was out of the ussr for a year he only rememberd the good and started to pine for home. he forgot the long lines to get a loaf of bread, and toilet paper. forgot that you got a one way ride to the camp if you said anything against the ussr.
Michigan in the north is a beautiful place from may to aug. so is alaska, but I would not live in alaska either.
The mosquitos can actualy kill a large animal when they are swarming.
Michigan is on the down hill run, I have just talked to several people who are in the real estate business and they are starting to see the writing on the wll. Michigan is not going to come back not at least very soon.
If you need to work for a living stay away from or get out of michigan. If you can live on snow by all means move there, at least you can pick up a home for next to nothing.

[jeffncandace]

Originally Posted by adler

You want to talk about critters, I just left north michigan, and because I was moving I did not spry malython for mosquitos, every time you would walk across the lawn they would rise up by the thousands. I dont think fire ants have west nile virus do they?
I am not saying that one place is better than the other based on buggs. but dont try to tell me michigan has none. We have Mosquitos,black flys that leave huge welts,noseeums that bite and leave itchie spots like mosquitos.
And the cold is not near as easy to deal with as the heat. I have lived in several places of the southern us. and when it is hot, you can go out side in the shade sit and have a cool glass of tea. When it is 40 below zero and dont try to tell me it does not get that temp here, I lived in michigan for 38 years and it dam well does. you can not stand to be out side for more than 10 min, even drinking a cup of hot java. which will be frozen in ten min.
also the good weather is only from may, dont try to tell me that april is a good month, it is not. to sep. I have seen snow in july and many times in sep.
The days go dark at 4;30 and do not get light till 8;00 in the am in the winter. you feel like finding a cave and not coming out till spring, which is may.
If so many of you love michigan why the heck are you not there?
I think the people who say michigan is wonderful and have left are doing the same thing that the soviet pilot did who defected, after he was out of the ussr for a year he only rememberd the good and started to pine for home. he forgot the long lines to get a loaf of bread, and toilet paper. forgot that you got a one way ride to the camp if you said anything against the ussr.
Michigan in the north is a beautiful place from may to aug. so is alaska, but I would not live in alaska either.
The mosquitos can actualy kill a large animal when they are swarming.
Michigan is on the down hill run, I have just talked to several people who are in the real estate business and they are starting to see the writing on the wll. Michigan is not going to come back not at least very soon.
If you need to work for a living stay away from or get out of michigan. If you can live on snow by all means move there, at least you can pick up a home for next to nothing.

Are you kidding? Having lived in the south, and now living in Michigan, you cannot tell me Michigan has more mosquitos than the south. My family and I have literally been chased back into our car by a SWARM of them in Texas, which was not an uncommon occurance. Unless you are in the city, you don't dare go outside anytime from dusk on with out a bottle of Deet covering you from head to foot. And I just moved from lake-front property here in Michigan, and even THEN it wasn't as bad as the south.
Black flies that bite? Boo hoo. They exist in the south too, along with TONS of bugs that not only bite, but some are poisonous. Ever dealt with fire ants? Or killer bees? Or asps? Or dozens of poisonous snakes? Almost nothing is poisonous up here that I'm aware of.
So in the south you can go outside when it's sweltering hot and drink a nice, refreshing glass of iced tea and all is well, is it? Sure, if you want to get eaten alive by the mosquitos as your dripping every ounce of life-sustaining water out of every pore. Ugh. My experience is that everyone spends April through September (or earlier and later) running from air conditioning to air conditioning, fanning themselves feverishly along the way as, again, they drip sweat everywhere, soaking thier clothes and giving their deoderant a run for it's money. No thank you.
To each his own, but you obviously hate Michigan. Move! If you have, good for you! Don't look back! The fact is, the south has it charms, and so does Michigan. It's time for you to move on and get a balanced perspective.
Nobody is claiming Michigan is a utopia. We are all bombarded with the doom and gloom everyday. But some people actually LIKE it here! Deal with it!

[Wabbit]

Facts:
1)The bugs in Michigan don't even compare to the bugs down South.
Swarming mosquitos killing large animals? Drumroll please....
Thank you. I literally laughed outloud at that one.
2) Michigan, starting today at noon, is officially on its way back to
endless prosperity. You didn't know that? Gee, where have you been?
3) The question is, If Michigan's so bad and you've left, what are you doing
trolling Michigan forums for threads to dump on?
I'll tell you why. You left Michigan and regret it terribly. It's called
Post Michiganderslanderosis. There are about five others on this forum
with it and despite my best efforts, including be banned trying to
excorcise you, there is no cure.

Oh, and you forgot to add September and October to Michigan's beautiful months. How can you not love the Fall colors in Michigan?
If only the South had something to compare to it's beauty you wouldn't be so grumpy. Oh well, we can't all live in Michigan. Sorry.