[funnyfarm1995]

Originally Posted by Michigansnowflake

Can I get an AMEN? Michigan IS Spectacular!

AMEN!!!!!!!!

[JimmyInGreatLakes]

Originally Posted by Michigansnowflake

AREGHHHHHHH! I am so sick of people who say Michigan is only nice during the summer, there is only things to do during the summer. Horsepucky!

Hunting and fishing is all year, Spring you have mushroom hunting, festivals and getting out and getting your garden in etc. Summer you have festivals galore along with camping, boating, hiking etc. You cant beat Fall, more festivals, beautiful colors that cant be beat. Winter you have sking, snowmobiling, more festivals, snowshoeing etc. Michigan is a 4 season state that can be enjoyed ALL YEAR LONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I guess only true Michiganders can appreciate that

I guess the only time Michigan is undesirable to me is November (grayest month of the year, greenery/fall colors gone and simply cold with no snow) and March (tired of winter now and just a slushy mess of drizzle/rain/occasional snow). Otherwise, all four season bring a welcome change. There are some aspects of the South that I like but to put up with the extensive heat (and humidity in the SE) is just not what I would prefer even when Michigan is chilly...I simply put on a coat.

[i_am_hydrogen]

Originally Posted by Dexterguy

It seems like there are going to be no young people in the state at all (18-25 yrs) every one is either going to college in Michigan and then finding a job out of state. Or even just going to college out of state and never moving back.

That would explain why I've encountered so many young (18-35 yo) people from Michigan on Chicago's north side. I would've thought that Wisconsinites made up the largest chunk of Chicago's regional expat population, but it's Michigan by a country mile.

[khfar]

Originally Posted by JimmyInGreatLakes

I guess the only time Michigan is undesirable to me is November (grayest month of the year, greenery/fall colors gone and simply cold with no snow) and March (tired of winter now and just a slushy mess of drizzle/rain/occasional snow). Otherwise, all four season bring a welcome change. There are some aspects of the South that I like but to put up with the extensive heat (and humidity in the SE) is just not what I would prefer even when Michigan is chilly...I simply put on a coat.

Now see, I think that the heat vs. the cold is all in what you are used to. I DO love all the seasons up here. In Texas, we don't really have seasons. Winter is a couple of months, but it isn't uncommon for it to be in the 60s on Christmas Day. You just never know.

However, I would take the blaring heat and humidity (the SE is definitely not the only part of the south with awful humidity) ANY DAY over the cold. It's in the 90s in Texas right now, and all my friends are hanging out at the pool. I'm wearing jackets up here, still, and it's really starting to grate on my nerves! I'm ready for WARM, already! Again, it's all in what you are used to, I think. Know what I mean?

[kimba01]

I am really tired of wearing a coat too. Can't wait for the possible warm up this weekend!

[scottmi]

Originally Posted by Sociologist

And amidst this very true and telling demographic data, we still as a state don't realize the importance of loosing skilled and educated young adults. According to the latest estimates from the Census, Michigan ranks in the top 5 for loosing people aged 20-29. This is central to growth in our future, but yet somehow we can still say there is improving situations. We say this, only because our media inflates reality, reality that 500 jobs will save a mere 80,000 unemployed Michiganders from loosing their homes, or all of their savings. That mantra is an attempt to further slow the population decline that has been in full swing for a decade... while Lansing quietly acknowledges the fact that no matter how many new positions are created, the pool of skilled and educated workforce has gone. Being a teen fresh out of H.S. (even now B.S level) looking for work has to be absolutely horrifyingly . Not only are you faced with competing with much more experienced displaced workers, your 7/hr wage is reduced to 4 when you calculate your fuel expenses to drive a short distance. Its mysterious....here we have many people tired of negativity, but yet Michigan has clearly been in a recession for years, although the public and the government choose to ignore reality and substitute their own.

I 100% agree. People that are 20-30 who are just getting out of college face a big middle-finger from employers when they *attempt* to enter Michigan's workforce. If you can even find a job, expect to be making I'd say 25%+ LESS than what people in the same profession did a decade ago. Horse crap, IMO.

[MittenDweller82]

Originally Posted by scottmi

I 100% agree. People that are 20-30 who are just getting out of college face a big middle-finger from employers when they *attempt* to enter Michigan's workforce. If you can even find a job, expect to be making I'd say 25%+ LESS than what people in the same profession did a decade ago. Horse crap, IMO.

Its enraging.... I try explaining this phenomena to my father, who has had unbelievable luck working overtime for the last 20 years at a small manufacturing firm. His view, and many other people his age still feel it is "our" fault, referring to young individuals. After many interviews myself, (and I was very qualified for the jobs in which I applied), it always seemed the employer was less concerned in finding out my qualities, instead his questions made me respond to how I would perform better than somebody with more experience and no degree? I do think it is a problem that has more presence in Michigan than in many other states. There certainly is a bitter war against new grads and recent displaced workers.....who can be blamed?

[JimmyInGreatLakes]

Originally Posted by khfar

Now see, I think that the heat vs. the cold is all in what you are used to. I DO love all the seasons up here. In Texas, we don't really have seasons. Winter is a couple of months, but it isn't uncommon for it to be in the 60s on Christmas Day. You just never know.

However, I would take the blaring heat and humidity (the SE is definitely not the only part of the south with awful humidity) ANY DAY over the cold. It's in the 90s in Texas right now, and all my friends are hanging out at the pool. I'm wearing jackets up here, still, and it's really starting to grate on my nerves! I'm ready for WARM, already! Again, it's all in what you are used to, I think. Know what I mean?

Acclimation is probably a HUGE part of it. I guess I'm warm blooded (ask my wife who thinks we set the heat too low in the winter) so the heat and humidity are not to my liking. Sunny and 65 (with only a slight breeze) is my perfect day.

[detshen]

It's preference also. I can't stand the heat, anything over 70 and I feel hot and I hate it. I prefer winter to a hot miserable summer. I don't like dealing with ice, but other than that I don't mind winter at all.

[malamute]

Originally Posted by Sociologist

Its enraging.... I try explaining this phenomena to my father, who has had unbelievable luck working overtime for the last 20 years at a small manufacturing firm. His view, and many other people his age still feel it is "our" fault, referring to young individuals. After many interviews myself, (and I was very qualified for the jobs in which I applied), it always seemed the employer was less concerned in finding out my qualities, instead his questions made me respond to how I would perform better than somebody with more experience and no degree? I do think it is a problem that has more presence in Michigan than in many other states. There certainly is a bitter war against new grads and recent displaced workers.....who can be blamed?

I think the problem is that the "old-timers" are tried and true, they have job references, they have work history that speaks something about them. Someone fresh out of college who has never worked any kind of job has no employer references, it's up to the applicant to convince the employer why he should hire him, but the older applicant is also doing his own convincing and may have something to back up his claims.

A degree is great but it doesn't beat on the job experience because in almost anything, no matter what the degree, you're basically starting from scratch when it comes to the actual work.