[ergohead]

Originally Posted by MI-IRISH

If it all broke down,I bet the US could be self-sufficient

I think McCain implied that in his campaign speech.

[MI-IRISH]

when mccain was young,the US was self sufficient right before columbus landed

[Driller1]

Originally Posted by ergohead

I think McCain implied that in his campaign speech.

Yes, we COULD, no we won't.

[MI-IRISH]

Originally Posted by Driller1

Yes, we COULD, no we won't.

AWW,come on,it would be so much fun

[darstar]

Originally Posted by Driller1

We are back to square one. How are we going to make things with out the permits?? And I mean heavy industry.

We live in an era of deregulation. That too was accelerated under Regan. I am for a level playing field , open entry is fine , , but , there needs to be regulation when it comes to environment , worker protection , and predatory pricing.
If several business , want to build a factory , they should all be subject to the same rules , with no preference for special friends , or politics. Environmental rules and laws , were enacted to help clean up the harmful mess , as well as limit more toxic development. Everyone should be subject to this , instead of "some" industries and businesses getting exceptions.
China now is faced with this big time , they let it go , for the sake of business , but , now the people are sick. In the long run , if we are all competing under the same rules , everyone wins. If the rules are wrong , or not effective as prescribed , then they need to be changed or modified. Thats what our represented Government is for.... or should be..

[Driller1]

Originally Posted by darstar

We live in an era of deregulation. That too was accelerated under Regan. I am for a level playing field , open entry is fine , , but , there needs to be regulation when it comes to environment , worker protection , and predatory pricing.
If several business , want to build a factory , they should all be subject to the same rules , with no preference for special friends , or politics. Environmental rules and laws , were enacted to help clean up the harmful mess , as well as limit more toxic development. Everyone should be subject to this , instead of "some" industries and businesses getting exceptions.
China now is faced with this big time , they let it go , for the sake of business , but , now the people are sick. In the long run , if we are all competing under the same rules , everyone wins. If the rules are wrong , or not effective as prescribed , then they need to be changed or modified. Thats what our represented Government is for.... or should be..

I seriously am starting to think you and I were married in a past life!!! LOL

The environmental laws have NEVER been harder to deal with.
I live in Mid-Michigan, a company WAS going to build two coal plants. One in Midland, one in Bay City. They worked three years to get though the federal, state and local governments. They have a LOTS of money in it. The "tree huggers" protested and the project was stopped. Nice, I have a neighbor that is an ironworker, he was close to tears.

[wanderer74]

Considering that Dow Chemical is responsible for contaminating a lot of the land in the Saginaw/Bay City/Midland area, which I do believe is linked to the significantly higher cancer rate in the most polluted areas (the houses along the Tittabawassee River in particular), I think it's important that we NOT overlook the potential environmental and health impact of business activities. I know that a lot of people need jobs, but at what expense? Businesses SHOULD still be able to thrive even if they are "forced" to not harm the people who work for them or the communities that support them.

[Driller1]

Originally Posted by wanderer74

Considering that Dow Chemical is responsible for contaminating a lot of the land in the Saginaw/Bay City/Midland area, which I do believe is linked to the significantly higher cancer rate in the most polluted areas (the houses along the Tittabawassee River in particular), I think it's important that we NOT overlook the potential environmental and health impact of business activities. I know that a lot of people need jobs, but at what expense? Businesses SHOULD still be able to thrive even if they are "forced" to not harm the people who work for them or the communities that support them.

Yes, they are. That was also contained a LONG time ago.

[ergohead]

Originally Posted by darstar

If several business , want to build a factory , they should all be subject to the same rules , with no preference for special friends , or politics.

Everyone should be subject to this , instead of "some" industries and businesses getting exceptions.

If the rules are wrong , or not effective as prescribed , then they need to be changed or modified. Thats what our represented Government is for.... or should be..

Maybe any candidate for public office should have to undergo televised sodium pentothal questioning by the electorate with periodic repeats throughout the office holding period.

[darstar]

Originally Posted by Driller1

I seriously am starting to think you and I were married in a past life!!! LOL

The environmental laws have NEVER been harder to deal with.
I live in Mid-Michigan, a company WAS going to build two coal plants. One in Midland, one in Bay City. They worked three years to get though the federal, state and local governments. They have a LOTS of money in it. The "tree huggers" protested and the project was stopped. Nice, I have a neighbor that is an ironworker, he was close to tears.

Well dear , I am not sure about that , but , who knows ? Was I happy ?

Ok , I should let you know , that my background is in the distribution of pollution control equipment for coal fired power Plants. Our business has run mostly cold these last eight years , with all the delays and diversions. Under Clinton , we were quite busy. The biggest market these days , has been China , unfortunately , not of benefit to me.. Michigan was always a pain when ordering transport permits , unlike Indiana and Illinois. We had to jump through a lot of hoops to satisfy Lansing. But then , Ohio was no cake walk ether...... " Not in my back yard " is a real problem for the expansion of infrastructure , look for more of that as we go along these next few years.