[mkfarnam]

What does Ethnicity have to do with the topic of this thread?....

[Yac]

Originally Posted by mkfarnam

What does Ethnicity have to do with the topic of this thread?....

I've been wondering that myself. Please get back on topic everyone.
Yac.

[Indentured Servant]

Originally Posted by malamute

This incident is in no way connected to some white collar criminal. The thugs didn't attack a white collar criminal, they attacked a helpless handicapped individual.

These thugs didn't lose money in a collapsing stock market, they weren't ripped off of life savings. They weren't hungry. Very likely they're too ignorant to even read the news, they very likely know nothing of current events and their mothers' food stamps still arrive on time every month. Their housing is just as free as it has always been, the school meals are still at no costs to them.

The sad thing is, this is about violence with no purpose whatsoever. They saw a weaker person who couldn't defend himself so like a pack of vicious dogs, they moved in to kill him. For no reason than the fun of watching his pain, watching him die.

Whoooaaaaa there partner!!! Either I missed communicated or you misinterpreted……or both. Either way, let me try to add clarification. My point was NOT to link the actions of these thugs to the CURRENT actions of white collar thug. What I was attempting to communicate is that the act of the powerful creates reverberations, that transcended time and space, which results in much more violence and death than that of street thugs. For example, only the powerful declare wars, often times based upon erroneous pretexts, such as the Gulf of Tonkin incident that got us into Vietnam and cost 68,000 American lives and likely Millions of Vietnamese lives. Then you have the Iraq war justification and the likely million people killed or injured from that act. Black folks did not start these wars and in fact, many of these wars usually are over the issue of resources and economics for market expansion for capitalistic fat cats who sit in high places. This violence is funded by BANKERS who lend the monies for the armaments of violence. Its powerful people who cause the most destruction and violence…..not the weak.

That said, it was powerful people who allowed slavery in America to last as long as it did. It was powerful people who allowed discrimination to go unchecked by law for 3 centuries. It was powerful people who allowed a society to denigrate, castigate and humiliate a race of people for centuries. Thus, given that the actions of the powerful always manifest reactions upon the weaker…….it is not surprising that descendants of a denigrated, castigated and humiliated people would be more likely to behave in an antisocial manner. I talked about how socialization and enculturation manifest naturally and most profoundly via emulation. This is way the children of abusive parents are much more likely to grow up to be abusive adults than those who do not come from abusive households. This may seem counterintuitive, as one would think that being abused would make one not want to abuse because one knows the pain it causes. However, the natural force of socialization through emulation is often to powerful. Thus, when one applies this HUMAN NATURE to the abuse that black people have endured for over 3 centuries, is it surprising that they are more abusive as a result of that experience? NO. Based upon what is known about human nature and human reaction, it’s not surprising at all. If society disrespect and denigrate a group’s humanity, that group, via socialization via emulation, will in turn disrespect and denigrate humanity…..because that is what they learned. That is what society taught them through the way it treated them.

If you ask me……based upon the History of America, America is lucky that black folks are not raising more hell. The hell that they are raising, however, is absorbed within their own communities.....and that is the way America wants to keep it. They see it as a self cleansing and are ok if they wipe each other out. However.....as soon as that violence spills over and starts impacting whites.....then, and only then, is there REAL outrage.

[ckhthankgod]

Originally Posted by Indentured Servant

Whoooaaaaa there partner!!! Either I missed communicated or you misinterpreted……or both. Either way, let me try to add clarification. My point was NOT to link the actions of these thugs to the CURRENT actions of white collar thug. What I was attempting to communicate is that the act of the powerful creates reverberations, that transcended time and space, which results in much more violence and death than that of street thugs. For example, only the powerful declare wars, often times based upon erroneous pretexts, such as the Gulf of Tonkin incident that got us into Vietnam and cost 68,000 American lives and likely Millions of Vietnamese lives. Then you have the Iraq war justification and the likely million people killed or injured from that act. Black folks did not start these wars and in fact, many of these wars usually are over the issue of resources and economics for market expansion for capitalistic fat cats who sit in high places. This violence is funded by BANKERS who lend the monies for the armaments of violence. Its powerful people who cause the most destruction and violence…..not the weak.

That said, it was powerful people who allowed slavery in America to last as long as it did. It was powerful people who allowed discrimination to go unchecked by law for 3 centuries. It was powerful people who allowed a society to denigrate, castigate and humiliate a race of people for centuries. Thus, given that the actions of the powerful always manifest reactions upon the weaker…….it is not surprising that descendants of a denigrated, castigated and humiliated people would be more likely to behave in an antisocial manner. I talked about how socialization and enculturation manifest naturally and most profoundly via emulation. This is way the children of abusive parents are much more likely to grow up to be abusive adults than those who do not come from abusive households. This may seem counterintuitive, as one would think that being abused would make one not want to abuse because one knows the pain it causes. However, the natural force of socialization through emulation is often to powerful. Thus, when one applies this HUMAN NATURE to the abuse that black people have endured for over 3 centuries, is it surprising that they are more abusive as a result of that experience? NO. Based upon what is known about human nature and human reaction, it’s not surprising at all. If society disrespect and denigrate a group’s humanity, that group, via socialization via emulation, will in turn disrespect and denigrate humanity…..because that is what they learned. That is what society taught them through the way it treated them.

If you ask me……based upon the History of America, America is lucky that black folks are not raising more hell. The hell that they are raising, however, is absorbed within their own communities.....and that is the way America wants to keep it. They see it as a self cleansing and are ok if they wipe each other out. However.....as soon as that violence spills over and starts impacting whites.....then, and only then, is there REAL outrage.

To respond to your last sentence, according to the Bureau of Justice, from 1976-2005, 94% of Blacks and 86% of Whites that were violent crime victims were violated by someone of the same race. So, interracial violent crime is very much the exception and not the rule. Then, you instances where the lifestyle of people that are different races meet. for instance, in my area we've had two incidents where White kids were coming into a mostly Black innr city neighborhood to get drugs, but it became two drug deals that went bad. People don't realize that such incidents are counted in that interracial crime aspect, but the more important aspect is the lifestyle, not the race.

[telepicker97]

Originally Posted by Indentured Servant

Whoooaaaaa there partner!!! Either I missed communicated or you misinterpreted……or both. Either way, let me try to add clarification. My point was NOT to link the actions of these thugs to the CURRENT actions of white collar thug. What I was attempting to communicate is that the act of the powerful creates reverberations, that transcended time and space, which results in much more violence and death than that of street thugs. For example, only the powerful declare wars, often times based upon erroneous pretexts, such as the Gulf of Tonkin incident that got us into Vietnam and cost 68,000 American lives and likely Millions of Vietnamese lives. Then you have the Iraq war justification and the likely million people killed or injured from that act. Black folks did not start these wars and in fact, many of these wars usually are over the issue of resources and economics for market expansion for capitalistic fat cats who sit in high places. This violence is funded by BANKERS who lend the monies for the armaments of violence. Its powerful people who cause the most destruction and violence…..not the weak.

That said, it was powerful people who allowed slavery in America to last as long as it did. It was powerful people who allowed discrimination to go unchecked by law for 3 centuries. It was powerful people who allowed a society to denigrate, castigate and humiliate a race of people for centuries. Thus, given that the actions of the powerful always manifest reactions upon the weaker…….it is not surprising that descendants of a denigrated, castigated and humiliated people would be more likely to behave in an antisocial manner. I talked about how socialization and enculturation manifest naturally and most profoundly via emulation. This is way the children of abusive parents are much more likely to grow up to be abusive adults than those who do not come from abusive households. This may seem counterintuitive, as one would think that being abused would make one not want to abuse because one knows the pain it causes. However, the natural force of socialization through emulation is often to powerful. Thus, when one applies this HUMAN NATURE to the abuse that black people have endured for over 3 centuries, is it surprising that they are more abusive as a result of that experience? NO. Based upon what is known about human nature and human reaction, it’s not surprising at all. If society disrespect and denigrate a group’s humanity, that group, via socialization via emulation, will in turn disrespect and denigrate humanity…..because that is what they learned. That is what society taught them through the way it treated them.

If you ask me……based upon the History of America, America is lucky that black folks are not raising more hell. The hell that they are raising, however, is absorbed within their own communities.....and that is the way America wants to keep it. They see it as a self cleansing and are ok if they wipe each other out. However.....as soon as that violence spills over and starts impacting whites.....then, and only then, is there REAL outrage.

I have never advocated the discrimination of a race...

I have never owned a slave...

my ancestors were Blackfoot Indians from the Dakota Hills, and Germans who came through Ellis Island...

In neither case did any of them own 'slaves'...however, I have been jumped and beaten, spit at, stolen from and harassed...all because I appear to 'white' happened to live in the 'wrong' part of town...

and the older I get, the more jaded toward race relations I become.

You know, I don't listen to rap/hip-hop, I don't wear baggy clothes, I enunciate my words and use proper grammar when I speak. I like to read, know how to spell correctly (typos be damned!)...and apparently, in a few short years, it will be required for YOU to co-mingle in your home with an African American...wouldn't be surprised if it becomes a quota. Read THIS:

[SIZE=2] Holder: US a nation of cowards on racial matters
[b]
WASHINGTON - Eric Holder, the nation's first black attorney general, said Wednesday the United States was "a nation of cowards" on matters of race, with most Americans avoiding candid discussions of racial issues. In a speech to Justice Department employees marking Black History Month, Holder said the workplace is largely integrated but Americans still self-segregate on the weekends and in their private lives.
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That's where we are as a nation. I want nothing to do with most African-Americans in this country.

And it has nothing to do with me being prejudicial against someone because of the color of their skin - I judge people on personal merit - if you're cool with me, then I'm cool with you.

Most black folk don't like ME, because I am 'white' (though, I actually look Indian...and the boxes I check on my student loan apps etc. Am. In./Alaska Naative)...that makes me not want anything to do with with THEM.

I don't give a damn WHAT happened 200 years ago, or even 50. We elected a black man President.

Enough said.

[telepicker97]

Originally Posted by mkfarnam

What does Ethnicity have to do with the topic of this thread?....

umm...50 black people attacked an old white man on a bike?

[mkfarnam]

Originally Posted by telepicker97

umm...50 black people attacked an old white man on a bike?

Read the story again, It say's 40-50 Young people....Not Black

[xlabel]

Originally Posted by mkfarnam

Read the story again, It say's 40-50 Young people....Not Black

Your not familiar with N. Westnedge,Frank st, Rose St. in Kalamazoo are you?

[mkfarnam]

Originally Posted by xlabel

Your not familiar with N. Westnedge,Frank st, Rose St. in Kalamazoo are you?

Unfortunatly No..I'm not. I have'nt lived in Mi. since "69". I don't claim to know more about MI. than those who live there now(or anyone)
But this discussion is about an attack on a disabled man by a group of young people.
If you can show me where ethnicity or skin color plays a part in the article, I'll shut up, back off and even apologize.

Is there a point to your question?

[WheredoIlive?]

however, I have been jumped and beaten, spit at, stolen from and harassed...all because I appear to 'white' happened to live in the 'wrong' part of town...

Me too. And the predators go after who they perceive as weak and alone, [even the most strongest man alone can be targeted by a gang] and many of the ghetto folks hunt in packs. I get the feeling that a lot of people who are more liberal about this stuff, have never known the feeling of having a gang after them. Try being a white woman on a Chicago city bus, having an entire street gang of thugs, threaten to rob and rape you openly, being disabled and unable to run and see how wonderful you feel about da ghetto! I only got away by sheer wits and luck.