[Coldjensens]

What percentage of the unemployment numbers from other states are unemployed people from Michigan, New York and California who moved looking for jobs?

[Ivorytickler]

Originally Posted by Coldjensens

What percentage of the unemployment numbers from other states are unemployed people from Michigan, New York and California who moved looking for jobs?

That one family leaving the state every 12 minutes are going somewhere, aren't they. That's 120 families a day...3600 a month...43000 a years

Yeah, I'd say our exporting workers is making unemployment higher in other states. I really wonder what it would be here if people weren't leaving. I'm willing to bet it would be closer our maximum of almost 17% from the last recession.

I love this state but I just don't see myself staying. My husband can retire in 3 years. I think we're outta here after that.

[trudawg]

I can believe it, honestly! But in all actuality it's probably higher due to all the folks who's benefits have already expired.
I moved from Ypsilanti, to Phoenix two years ago, thank gawd I have good tenants renting my home that I could never possibly sell. But I do worry that they retain their jobs so they stay in the house.
I work two jobs here in PHX just because you nevr know!
Good Luck guys!

[magellan]

Originally Posted by Coldjensens

What percentage of the unemployment numbers from other states are unemployed people from Michigan, New York and California who moved looking for jobs?

I do know that unemployment in North Carolina, where a lot of Michigan residents have moved to, has skyrocketed recently. Between Charlotte and Raleigh (the two biggest metros), they've lost almost 50,000 jobs just since January. I'd bet a lot of the layed off are the people with the least seniority (probably a lot of transferees).

I agree that with so many manufacturing jobs being shed in Michigan, there's no reason to try and retain people here just to add to the unemployment rolls.

That one family leaving every 12 minutes is probably about right. About 93,000 people are estimated to have left Michigan last year (they don't do mid-decade census's). 189,000 left New York State (one person about every 3 minutes). 51,000 left Ohio. 70,000 left Illinois. 263,000 left California (one person every 2 minutes). 40,000 left Massachusetts. 36,000 left Maryland. A lot of people are leaving the Northern states for Southern states (it's been going on for as long as I can remember).

It does seem to have accelerated lately though, as it seems people's tolerance of adversity (weather mainly) gets lower and lower every year.

[Skapov]

Originally Posted by wanderer74

I don't know how true this is. I think there are probably at least a million people in this state who would leave the state because they know the job market anywhere is better than MI, but cannot afford to move. When I was 20, I left the state for the first time with a small U-haul trailer full of my limited possessions, $300 and a place to stay in a new state. I made it just fine and established myself in a new city within a month. I cannot do that anymore now that I own a house full of possessions and have three school-age children. Even if I were willing to walk away from the mortgage to be able to get a job - which I unfortunately probably would be - there's still the fact that a U-haul big enough for a whole house full of possessions for a family of five costs a couple thousand bucks, and since it's not so easy to crash at someone's house when you have 3 kids, you'd also have to have the money for deposits on rental housing. We've calculated it and the cheapest we could possibly move all of us is $4000 (counting deposit on a new place to live). When you're unemployed or underemployed, who has the money for that? And that's if you have a job lined up at the new location; particularly in a tightening national economy like this, it can be very hard to get jobs out of state unless you're in certain fields.

Furthermore it may have been true a year ago that most states were at 5% unemployment or so, but now I believe the national average is above 8%. Still better than Michigan for sure, but high enough that it makes it harder to think that some other place is the promised land for jobs.

This economy is really scary, and that's about right that it costs close to $10,000 to move a whole family across state lines. Sadly, many unemployed people are simply STUCK, and my sister who lives in Muskegon, MI is in that same boat. It's really sad, and they wanted to move out here to DC Metro area where I live, but jobs are being shed everywhere including here. My company is planning layoffs as well, so I could be in the same boat that so many people in Michigan find themselves in--UNEMPLOYED.

[beadster]

I agree with all of you the unemployment sucks, and the current people we have in the state government suck. But really, people of michigan voted for them. Number 2 its not the politicans in lansing fault that all of you sucked the manufacturing sector dry, and expected it to be michigan's bread and butter forever. None of you expected a time where chrylser hm etc would have real competeition. They ran their companies into the ground and killed jobs in michigan as did many other companies. All everyone here has to blame is themselves, not the politicans. Most of you were too arrogant to ever believe there would be a time that manufactoring in michigan would fail. there would always be 30 dollar an hour auto making jobs, and everyone would be happy and jolly forever.

[cbmsu01]

Well, in all fairness, there were 23,000 jobs lost in Michigan in March 2009, with 663,000 lost in the U.S. There are about 10 million people in Michigan, and slightly more than 300 million in the U.S. So about 3.5 percent of jobs lost were in Michigan, and about 3.3 of the population lives in Michigan - I really don't think this is just a state thing.

[Ivorytickler]

Originally Posted by cbmsu01

Well, in all fairness, there were 23,000 jobs lost in Michigan in March 2009, with 663,000 lost in the U.S. There are about 10 million people in Michigan, and slightly more than 300 million in the U.S. So about 3.5 percent of jobs lost were in Michigan, and about 3.3 of the population lives in Michigan - I really don't think this is just a state thing.

It's a state thing when you consider we have the highest unemployment rate in the country. We started losing jobs before the rest of the country and did it faster than the rest of the country. That we slowed to the same pace as the rest of the country in March only means we keep our place as the state with the highest unemployment rate.

[wanderer74]

Originally Posted by magellan

I do know that unemployment in North Carolina, where a lot of Michigan residents have moved to, has skyrocketed recently. Between Charlotte and Raleigh (the two biggest metros), they've lost almost 50,000 jobs just since January. I'd bet a lot of the layed off are the people with the least seniority (probably a lot of transferees).

I agree that with so many manufacturing jobs being shed in Michigan, there's no reason to try and retain people here just to add to the unemployment rolls.

That one family leaving every 12 minutes is probably about right. About 93,000 people are estimated to have left Michigan last year (they don't do mid-decade census's). 189,000 left New York State (one person about every 3 minutes). 51,000 left Ohio. 70,000 left Illinois. 263,000 left California (one person every 2 minutes). 40,000 left Massachusetts. 36,000 left Maryland. A lot of people are leaving the Northern states for Southern states (it's been going on for as long as I can remember).

It does seem to have accelerated lately though, as it seems people's tolerance of adversity (weather mainly) gets lower and lower every year.

The same thing is happening in Texas as in NC - the unemployment rate in TX is growing at one of the fastest rates in the country. I know many people who have moved from MI to TX in search of jobs in the past year or two - I wanted to be one of them, since I lived there before and was familiar with it. More people moved to Dallas/Fort Worth last year than any other metro area, from all locations; it's not surprising that their unemployment rate would skyrocket. They only created 2500 new jobs last year (still better than a net loss, for sure) and by contrast 160,000 people moved there. How can the unemployment rate stay good in a place with those kinds of numbers?

I don't know as though people's tolerance of adversity in terms of weather is getting any lower. If that were the case, people would be leaving ALL of the cold-weather states in numbers similar to MI, and that just isn't happening. I do think that because of the overall rising consumer debt levels, though, more people are unable to tolerate long periods of economic downturn and are more likely to feel desperate and move in search of work.

[MI-IRISH]

Originally Posted by cbmsu01

Well, in all fairness, there were 23,000 jobs lost in Michigan in March 2009, with 663,000 lost in the U.S. There are about 10 million people in Michigan, and slightly more than 300 million in the U.S. So about 3.5 percent of jobs lost were in Michigan, and about 3.3 of the population lives in Michigan - I really don't think this is just a state thing.

It is a state thing,when taken into consideration,michigan has been goin through this for almost 9 years,while the other states were booming and prospering,michigan fell behind,in more than just hindsight.Now all of a sudden,that the other states are getting kicked,the world needs to take notice,so in setting the trend,my friend,michigan does have the country beat at this on.