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Old 07-16-2009, 04:36 PM
Location: Grand Rapids Metro
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Originally Posted by Newtgirl View Post
You're not the only one in that boat. My dad's in that same boat, trying to find what odd-jobs he can under-the-table.

And a dear friend of mine works for an auto-parts supplier (which, unfortunately, supplies mostly to GM instead of Ford (but that's a whole 'nother can of worms)). He's now making less money than he did when he started the job 2 years ago. And he deals with perpetual layoffs (usually he works about 6 weeks, has 2 weeks off). But like he said, it beats not having a job at all. Unfortunately, he and his girlfriend both work for the same plant, so they get laid off at the same time, and don't even have that steady income.

I'm trying to convince everyone to come to Virginia with me, where at least the job market's feeble (unemployment's usually between 4-6%), rather than stone-cold dead.
Are your friends going to move there and both work for the same plant again?
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Old 07-16-2009, 04:37 PM
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Hopefully more people will leave MI. Arguably the number of people living here has been too high for too long.

A 20% population drop should help the disparity.
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Old 07-16-2009, 04:44 PM
Location: Michissippi
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Originally Posted by YAZ View Post
JGatti and others,

A weird little phenomenon is happening in AZ....it happened while I lived in MI too.

Skilled trades positions (the limited available ones), are seeing DECLINING wages. We're seeing machinists wages drop 25 % over the last year or so. Along with layoffs, employees are seeing their health benefits "disappear", mandatory furloughs, and in some cases....pay cuts.

I've experienced all of the above in the last 11 months.

I've said it before and I'll say it again.

How in the heck can an employer offer a skilled machinist with $5k worth of personal tools 12 bucks per hour, while that machinist goes to Burger King for lunch and orders a Whopper from someone making the same wage?

Say G'bye to the middle class, folks.
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Old 07-16-2009, 05:01 PM
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OMG, is all I can say! I'm so glad I got out when I did, which was Dec. 2006 after I was laid off from the telephone company. Luckily I'm still employed here in the Valley (actually I work two jobs, and am scared to let anyone of them go, while I'm finishing my degree).
I still own my home in MI, and might have to let it go, because I cannot afford to keep paying a mortgage there, and rent here.
Good luck everyone, and don't feel so tethered to your state, if you need a job, then apply ANYWHERE!
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Old 07-16-2009, 06:47 PM
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..... dude..... what the crap.... SO, being about the 4% that actually has a handle on how poor MI's condition is... i planned on working/saving and moving next summer... but from two weeks ago, it was 13.9... it went up a whole percent in such a short period. DOES NO ONE REALIZE WE HAVEN'T SEEN THESE KINDS OF UNEMPLOYMENT NUMBERS SINCE THE GREAT DEPRESSION??? !!!!!!!! WE ARE IN A F'N DEPRESSION, WHAT THE CRAP! WHY DOESN'T ANYONE UNDERSTAND THIS...

sorry for that, but for everything that the media isn't, you would at least think a number like 15% would grab the attention of some one...

I would say the real unemployment is like 20-24% .... only a quarter of the state, no big deal... holy ish, worst part is i just moved out of one place into another place with some friends... guess moving again won't be a big deal at this point.... as going to school isn't a reality as i won't be able to save a dime while doing so... SERIOUSLY! THIS IS SO SURREAL!! ....
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Old 07-16-2009, 06:53 PM
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As much as you might want to for an easy scapegoat, I'm not sure you can blame Obama or even Granholm for this problem.

This is systemic - involving everything from overburdened union demands to corrupt governments that abuse tax structures to the simple fact that Southeast Michigan isn't the most attractive place to set up a business (due in part to the sprawling mess, the industrial past, and for many the weather).

Politicians have been working to bring new industries in, but they can't overcome the market situations.
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Old 07-16-2009, 07:29 PM
Location: Michigan
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There no single person to point the finger at. Today's problems are the result of many mistakes by many people and companies and the greed of so many in power it's sick. Obama is still too new to the problem to blame him, and Grandholm......even though I am not a fan I can say this in her defense. When she won the office I used to listen to talk radio....A LOT. Although I can't recall who said it I recall many reports about how big of a mess Engler left her with to fix and they wished her good luck with a chuckle. The Dem's and Republicans of the last 8+ years are just as much to blame as the banks. The auto industry was driven by greed from the bottom to the top. If you take a hard look at so much of what is wrong in this country it will make you puke. When I see athletes making 100+ million dollars to play baseball or hit a golf ball into a little hole it has to make you wonder what direction this country is going to continue on. Can you blame the athlete? No not really, you can blame the owners, the television and the fans that pay the ungodly money to pay these idiots.
My son was watching some rich and famous show today. Here was this single guy, 23 or 24 years old with a 3 millions dollar house. I thought some celebrity and asked who he was. His response " some wallstreet guy" I alomst choked on my egg's. Hey I'm not against people getting what they can, but when the people at the top are still getting theirs by limiting the guy at the bottom then there is a major problem, and this is what I see happening now.
I hate to use my lay off as an example again. But the dumbass who caused the layoff's in my plant is still making his 6 digit income and a bonus that dwarfs 2 years of my income. That's F'd up, and corporate turns their head.
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Old 07-16-2009, 07:29 PM
Location: Southern Minnesota
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It wouldn't surprise me if the real rate was over 30%, and that is conservative. This is just SAD.
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Old 07-16-2009, 07:31 PM
Location: Michigan
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Originally Posted by kazoopilot View Post
It wouldn't surprise me if the real rate was over 30%, and that is conservative. This is just SAD.
I kind of wonder about the figures thrown around. Only because soooooooo sooooooo many have left. It used to take me 45 minutes to do my bi weekly cliam. Now I'm in and off inside of 15. Not sure if that means anything.
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Old 07-16-2009, 07:38 PM
Location: MI
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What's mind-boggling to me is the new casino scheduled to open next month in Battle Creek had 28,000 applications for 1500 positions in a span of 2 months. That's pretty bad.
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