[Hoptik]

Originally Posted by ckhthankgod

So true and the Jews are a great example of this, throughout their history.

Also, what you touched on is that in order for one to be "underprivileged", there has to be another group that "privileged". You can't be under something unless there is something over you.

Struggle for justice and liberation of blacks paved the way for justice for other ethnic and religious minorities in US, I believe. If you check the US history, you will find the discrimination against Asians (Japanese, Indians), Middle Easterners (Jews, Arabs and etc) and even Irish.

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Assimilation does not mean to forsake your cultural heritage.

[zthatzmanz28]

Originally Posted by sajae90

Oh I apoligize, I thought you did mention children in the inner city or race. Oops..but, to me about the homeless people, this seems to be a deep rooted issue. I don't believe that anyone would WANT to be poor and a victim, this sounds like to me a psychological problem that needs to be treated and unfortunately it never will. And then, you have the ones that just don't want to work off the sweat of their own brow. I have a cousin who can't become independent for nothing and he is 30 years old. But then again, he was abused as a child severely and neglected, so as far as this would go, I think we are talking about oranges and apples. I was kinda of looking at the racial aspect of rather blacks are feeling the inital crunch of the economy downfall over white people. But i think our points are also valid

Unfortunately it tends to be large urban cities that do feel the CRUNCH when the economy goes south. For whatever reason, these cities are usually the residence for a large number of minorities. Look at the condition of Detroit Public Schools. While it can be argued that the current financial and academic situation has been created by IDIOTS on the school board (ex-gov Engler did little with his state appointed board), ultimately it is the people / residents that allow the institution to be weakened.

[sajae90]

Originally Posted by zthatzmanz28

Unfortunately it tends to be large urban cities that do feel the CRUNCH when the economy goes south. For whatever reason, these cities are usually the residence for a large number of minorities. Look at the condition of Detroit Public Schools. While it can be argued that the current financial and academic situation has been created by IDIOTS on the school board (ex-gov Engler did little with his state appointed board), ultimately it is the people / residents that allow the institution to be weakened.

Yes I agree, the urban community does get effected more that is a majority of blacks and minorities. But i am the type of person that looks into cause and effect. WHY are more black and minorities clustered in the urban parts of Detroit. There has to be some type of conditioning or brainwashing going on. I don't know if the people are too much to blame. What if EVERYONE moved out of Detroit and left it vacant? What will happen then? people with money would come in and rebuild it to their advantage. I bet you then money will start coming back into Detroit because the minorities and blacks are gone. Same thing happened in New Orleans. If those same black and minorities tried to come back to Detroit, they wouldn't let them back in.

I always wondered why Royal Oak and Ferndale is mostly white when there are SO many minorities trying to escape their living conditions in Detroit. These suburbs are less than 20 minutes away. Doesn't sound right to me at all. Obviously, there are some type of predjudices happening that is not being spoken of that is keeping the "blacks" out of these more upscale environments. The only places that have been infilitrated that are only a little better than Detroit is Oak Park, Southfield and some parts of Farmington Hills.

[zthatzmanz28]

any correlation to DWB sydrome?

[sajae90]

Originally Posted by zthatzmanz28

any correlation to DWB sydrome?

what is DWB Sydrome?

[Shizzles]

Originally Posted by Indentured Servant

Well, if one starts with the simple premise (you don't seem to be) that dismisses racial or ethnic supremacy, then any group that experience in degree and or kind what black people have experienced would logically be in the same situation as black peoples today. The only way an entity can endure the same degree of oppression, if not greater, and come out ahead of another entity is if one is arguing that one entity was naturally somehow superior to the other. One HAS to assume SUPERIORITY/INFERIORITY in your argument due to the fact that you have EQUALIZED the level of oppression, meaning that the ONLY causation for different outcomes is born from the variability in the NATURE(genetics/culture) of the entities oppressed.

I submit to you that most oppressed groups MIGRATED FROM their oppressors and the land of their oppressors, by finding a more promising land. Few oppressed groups have risen to equality while remaining in the lands and among their traditional oppressors.

Have you ever considered a third possiblity here?

Maybe it's not always about "Oppression" nor about "Inferiority". My belief is that the biggest obsticle Black Americans face is a society that is completely oriented around the notion that Blacks are victims and either are incapiable of achieveing white levels of achievement nor can be seen as equals in society. This attitude is fostered heavliy by white guilt liberals who have made it a point to attack Black America w/ media depicting a world where all is hopeless for the black child in the US.

Yes, there is racism in America, anyone w/ common sense can see it. However, the far stronger chain of bondage is the mental one that many AAs all too tragically embrace. "Racism" is not the end all be all of the Black experience. How can you explain then why the Harlem of the 1920s was in many ways more culturally, economically and philispohically vibrant than the Harlem of the 1980s? The answer in my mind is the pathology of victimhood and an embrace of self-destructive behaviors out of some sense of racial backlash against the domaint euro-american culture.

[Indentured Servant]

Originally Posted by Shizzles

Have you ever considered a third possiblity here?

Maybe it's not always about "Oppression" nor about "Inferiority". My belief is that the biggest obsticle Black Americans face is a society that is completely oriented around the notion that Blacks are victims and either are incapiable of achieveing white levels of achievement nor can be seen as equals in society. This attitude is fostered heavliy by white guilt liberals who have made it a point to attack Black America w/ media depicting a world where all is hopeless for the black child in the US.

Yes, there is racism in America, anyone w/ common sense can see it. However, the far stronger chain of bondage is the mental one that many AAs all too tragically embrace. "Racism" is not the end all be all of the Black experience. How can you explain then why the Harlem of the 1920s was in many ways more culturally, economically and philispohically vibrant than the Harlem of the 1980s? The answer in my mind is the pathology of victimhood and an embrace of self-destructive behaviors out of some sense of racial backlash against the domaint euro-american culture.

Is that “Third” possibility organic or intrinsic to black people? Are you saying that when a black person is born that they have a “victim” gene? In other words, if not for 300 years of actual oppression in this nation, would blacks have this “victim” mentality? It sounds to me as if this is what you are alluding. In my opinion, the number one cause of a victim mentality in a people is actually a history of being victimized. Again, if any other group has experienced what blacks have experienced, in degree if not kind, then they would be in the same situation that blacks are in as a group today. One cannot make the argument that other groups have had the experience in degree, yet have risen above it, without inferring that blacks are somehow deficient and inferior. It’s like tying a 300 lb weight on various individuals and some individuals manage to make good progress despite the weight, while others lag behind. Now assuming that environmentally/externally that all impediments were the same, then the only explanation for the differences in achievement is internal. In other words, the ones who were able to go far despite the extra weight were naturally superior to those who did not make it as far. That is what is being said, without saying it explicitly, about blacks when people bring up other groups who were oppressed. They are proposing that blacks are inferior, because blacks cannot meet the basic human baselines for achievement against odds. Either that is the TRUTH or its racist. You see TRUTH cannot be RACIST. Hence, this is why many whites don't see themselves as racist because they see black inferiority/white supremacy as a logical TRUTH and not a conclusion born from emotional prejudice.

You need to establish black ACTIONS and behavior that is not a REACTION to an oppressive history to establish it as ORGANIC or INTRINSIC to black peoples. Every action creates a reaction....right? So the question is what is the reaction to 300 years of oppression upon black people? I guess this REACTION of nature is what you call a victim mentality.

[Sparrow_temp]

It's what I would call the "victim card". Why take responsibility for anything if you can pull out the victim card? Is there ever an expiration on the "victim card"? Is it good for just the current generation or are we going to let it go another 5? I think most would say that 1 generation after slavery and the victim card should have expired. There are plenty of people who grow up poor and don't seem to have been issued said card.

Originally Posted by Indentured Servant

I guess this REACTION of nature is what you call a victim mentality.

[lastonestanding]

Originally Posted by Sparrow_temp

It's what I would call the "victim card". Why take responsibility for anything if you can pull out the victim card? Is there ever an expiration on the "victim card"? Is it good for just the current generation or are we going to let it go another 5? I think most would say that 1 generation after slavery and the victim card should have expired. There are plenty of people who grow up poor and don't seem to have been issued said card.

Here we go again, there is no victim card, there is no race card, there is only facts. Truthfully sir, if you gonna go that route, what if Dr. Martin Luther King did not fight for civil rights because someone told him not to pull the race card, slavery is over with, be happy about that now go to the back of the bus??? We probably would not be on here talking about this, no telling how worse it would be right now... However, the problem still exist so until situations get better, we're gonna keep talking about it.... So until that happens, get used to it.....

[zthatzmanz28]

Originally Posted by sajae90

what is DWB Sydrome?

Driving While Black///