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Old 10-19-2009, 05:13 PM
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Default Why/How will Michigan's Economy recover??

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Newport Beach Film Festival And The Studio at Sage Hill
Launch Cinema Sage Hill, A Free Monthly Film Series
Inaugural Event to Feature Environmental Film Blue Gold: World Water Wars
Followed by Conversation with Orange County Film Director Sam Bozzo

Cinema Sage Hill
Wednesday, October 21 at 7:30pm.
Blue Gold: World Water Wars (2008, Documentary, 90 minutes)

Based on the ground-breaking book by Maude Barlow and Tony Clarke, Blue Gold: World Water Wars explores the perils of the world’s imminent water shortage. Wars of the future will be fought over water, as they are today over oil, as the source of all life enters the global marketplace and political arena. Corporate giants, private investors, and corrupt governments vie for control of our dwindling fresh water supply, prompting protests, lawsuits, and revolutions from citizens fighting for the right to survive. Past civilizations have collapsed from poor water management.
Blue Gold: World Water Wars won the prestigious Jury Award for Best Documentary at the 2009 Newport Beach Film Festival.

An interactive Q&A session with the film’s director and Orange County resident Sam Bozzo will follow the screening.

Visit www.NewportBeachFilmFest.com for information.
The Studio at Sage Hill School
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water shortage...and pop tarts,wars will be fought over water and pop tarts
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Does any body know if the documentry Waterlife has made is way into the U.S. yet?

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Old 10-19-2009, 09:07 PM
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One of the problems facing Michigan is the competition. Toronto, Chicago, Milwaukee, Cleveland and Buffalo are more than likely choices for people to base there decision on moving by since those major cities are functional. Detroit must be fixed in order to be put back on the radar in peoples minds. The suburbs are not going to draw people in as it's apart of Detroit still and the small town communities will not also draw the huge crowds.

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Michigans economy will not likely recover in the near future, but things may be brighter 10 20 years down the road. The water issues mentioned will one day play a part in our recovery, but until there are very major shortages in the west this will not happen. We need to begin to lay the groundwork for recovery ourselves now. It will take a change in attitude for all of us. The rest of America thinks of Michigan as a place where everyone belongs to a union and demands an excessive wage. The stereotype of the drunken lazy UAW member collecting 30 dollars an hour for nothing is killing us. No capitalist in his right mind would invest in or start a company in a state where that is the general preception of our workforce. Low taxes, less regulation and a highly educated workforce are the qualities that will change our economy for the better. Michigan does have vast resources including timber, gas and oil, gypsym, rich farmland, and of course lots and lots of water. We have more resources than many other states. Michigan did not fail, WE ITS PEOPLE did. If we start making the changes now, we will be ready when the so called desert paradise out west dries up.
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By embracing real capitalism. And rejecting statism.
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The stereotype of the drunken lazy UAW member collecting 30 dollars an hour for nothing is killing us.
The problem is - if they aren't making $30 an hour, then they don't pay taxes to a very bloated government and all the state programs like school and social programs will not be funded. You almost need $30 an hour or more to pay the ridiculous property taxes on a middle class house. And that is far from the only tax.
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Michigans economy will not likely recover in the near future, but things may be brighter 10 20 years down the road. The water issues mentioned will one day play a part in our recovery, but until there are very major shortages in the west this will not happen. We need to begin to lay the groundwork for recovery ourselves now. It will take a change in attitude for all of us. The rest of America thinks of Michigan as a place where everyone belongs to a union and demands an excessive wage. The stereotype of the drunken lazy UAW member collecting 30 dollars an hour for nothing is killing us. No capitalist in his right mind would invest in or start a company in a state where that is the general preception of our workforce. Low taxes, less regulation and a highly educated workforce are the qualities that will change our economy for the better. Michigan does have vast resources including timber, gas and oil, gypsym, rich farmland, and of course lots and lots of water. We have more resources than many other states. Michigan did not fail, WE ITS PEOPLE did. If we start making the changes now, we will be ready when the so called desert paradise out west dries up.
wow,kind of harsh,sounds like somebody didn't make it the union
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By embracing real capitalism. And rejecting statism.
Actually, it was the flow of raw capitalism that created Michigan's mess. An industry came to the city from a few innovative people.

They created jobs to build their products.

Other companies in other countries began out-innovating the companies built in/near Detroit - they built smaller, more fuel efficient cars more effectively.

Other parts of the country attracted minds for different industries (such as IT) in large part because Detroit just sprawled out in the assumption that having a job would be enough for people. Now that they are mobile and can move to places that were designed and built (with large government help) for quality of life, places like Detroit suffer.

Really the only role even close to statism was the role unions played in making Michigan undesirable when Japanese manufacturers looked for places and wound up down south. But, that's just collective bargain and has nothing to do with government.
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I don’t get it. The auto Industry has been taking a hit for the last 30 years or more. Yet, Michigan Population has grown by over 1.5 million people during its main Industries Decline. Think about it. The States major Industry has been declining for decades, but the state has still managed to grow over that period, to over 10 million people (likely 9.9 million now). Hence, some people seem to lack a keen grasp of the Obvious in that the State has probably shed about 75% of its auto jobs, over the last 30 years or more, and yet the state is still standing as the 8th largest in the nation and probably the 10th largest economy in the nation.

Folks, the dead weight of the Auto Industry has been what has held Michigan back, but most of that dead weight is now gone. Michigan is primed to move forward with service jobs, Bio-science, Movies, Green Technology, Tourism, High Tech and much, much more. The growth in other sectors of the economy was always negated by the losses in the Manufacturing sector. We have reached a point, I believe, that there will start to be more gains in other sectors of the economy than losses in the manufacturing sector, because the rate of manufacturing job loss cannot continue because most of those jobs are now gone. It’s a painful period that the State is in but it’s a period that has a bright light at the end of the tunnel.

I would not recommend Michigan for the next 5 years, but after that, I am extremely positive that Michigan’s economy will be one of the top 10 in the nation. Remember who told you that. That said, the decline in the standard of living in the nation as a whole means that the living standards in Michigan will NEVER, in our lifetime, rise to the peak levels of the past, adjusted for inflation. However, many Sun Belt economies of the last few decades were mostly artificial and phony and will fizzle out. This is why former boom states like Florida, North Carolina and Georgia, Nevada and the like now have Unemployment rates well above the nation average, when they once enjoyed employment well below the national norm.

Yes, Michigan might suck right now, but I think what a lot of people don’t understand is that a lot of places suck right along with Michigan and that Michigan will be in better shape down the road than they will be.
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