[krock1dk]

Originally Posted by Bydand

You haven't posted FACTS yet, you post your past personal experiances as fact, but that is far actually BEING facts. The FACTS are that while unemployment is high (between 10-20% by County), that means that there are 80-90% who ARE working.
MI Unemployment by County
US Bureau of Labor: MI unemployment by year
MI unemployment rates 2009I will not discuss this with you anymore. Have U ever been there? Lived there? Worked there? Spent a lot of time there? I HAVE. Northern MI has ALWAYS struggled in jobs. And its no wonder: its sparsely populated. And the young continue to move out everyday. Thats is a FACT. But you will believe what you want to believe, regardless of anything anyone tells you or what the facts have indicated since the Garden of Eden. But I refuse to argue with someone who's never been there vs everyone knowing it and my experiencing it and KNOWING it. Good day.


Few houses are entering foreclosure overall, 2.6% in 2009 which is too many, but not something most are facing or going through.
Foreclosures: 1 in every 38 houses received a foreclosure notice in Michigan in 2009. In case you don't comprehend that, what it means, is that 37 out of 38 did NOT. That put Michigan at #8 in the Nation, not the top. Here are a couple more places to look at this FACT.
MI Foreclosures
MI Foreclosures by county

Lets see your FACTS to disprove those. Those are cold hard numbers that back up what people have been saying all along. Yes times are tough, but they are not hopeless and as bad as a few here make them out to be. Cold hard FACTS.

You didnt give me facts; only the propaganda that you WANT to believe. I will not discuss this with you anymore. Have U ever been there? Lived there? Worked there? Spent a lot of time there? I HAVE. Northern MI has ALWAYS struggled in jobs. And its no wonder: its sparsely populated. And the young continue to move out everyday. Thats is a FACT. But you will believe what you want to believe, regardless of anything anyone tells you or what the facts have indicated since the Garden of Eden. But I refuse to argue with someone who's never been there vs everyone knowing it and my experiencing it and KNOWING it. See for yourself. Good day.

[Bydand]

Originally Posted by krock1dk

You didnt give me facts; only the propaganda that you WANT to believe. I will not discuss this with you anymore. Have U ever been there? Lived there? Worked there? Spent a lot of time there? I HAVE. Northern MI has ALWAYS struggled in jobs. And its no wonder: its sparsely populated. And the young continue to move out everyday. Thats is a FACT. But you will believe what you want to believe, regardless of anything anyone tells you or what the facts have indicated since the Garden of Eden. But I refuse to argue with someone who's never been there vs everyone knowing it and my experiencing it and KNOWING it. See for yourself. Good day.

I was born and raised in Northern Michigan, graduated from the Soo, lived and worked for years in Gaylord. Yes I am intimately aware of life in Northern Michigan.


Your little rant, just made you look like an ass. Plus you still haven't posted ANYTHING that resembles facts, just your own personal hatred to the area. I posted facts to back up what I have been saying, you dismiss them and go on a rant of how you believe I have never set foot in the area. Don't start in on how limited my knowledge is of the area. I was making a good living there when you were probably still in diapers (Started working as an Electrician in Gaylord in 1982, worked before that in Sault Ste. Marie).

[danielj72]

Originally Posted by scolls

I'm just appalled you can chastise me about what I say about northern Michigan when you continue to say detoilet and have no idea what you are talking about. It's just incredible with all your ignorance that you continue to post. Not only are you ignorant of Detroit, but also of Gaylord, yet you'll post anyways. It's like Sarah Palin being interviewed by someone intelligent.

I have said things about your hometown you do not like, so I must be ignorant. You also insert your liberal politics into the mix, when you take a cheapshot at Sarah Palins intelligence. Liberals always get personal in their disputes so that explains why you decided to go the personal route. It has been perfectly ok for you to slam Gaylord in this thread and others, but when you come into contact with someone who is equally critical of where you come from, you simply dismiss that person as "ignorant". First you claim I am ignorant of Detroit and SE mich. Half of my family lives down there, I have been visiting that part of the state all my life. I know what it is like there, I know how the people are different there. Also anyone that disputes the fact that Detroit itself is a total crime infested sewer is simply dillusional and foolish. If you cannot admit that the people of southeast Mi (suburban) place more emphisis on career and status than other parts of the state, then you do not live in reality. You may not want to admit it but there is a snobbery there toward the rest of the state, but I suppose you are not seeing what you do not WANT to see. You also accuse me of being ignorant of what Gaylord is like. I have friends in that area, I spend lots of time there. I know that town well. I have lived all over the state at different times during my adult life, Upper Michigan for 9 years, western lower mich area for 3 years, even lived in Livingston co for 9 months so very close to the Detroit area, and I have now lived in central Mi for a few years now. Yes I have moved around a bit, but I think I have a pretty good perspective on what the people are like in different parts of this state. You can go ahead and dismiss me as ignorant because I offended you, but remember your post toward Gaylord have been just as offensive as mine have been toward SE mich.

[scolls]

Originally Posted by danielj72

I have said things about your hometown you do not like, so I must be ignorant.

Running around calling Detroit Detoilet like a toddler who just learned a new potty word really doesn't help.

You also insert your liberal politics into the mix, when you take a cheapshot at Sarah Palins intelligence. Liberals always get personal in their disputes so that explains why you decided to go the personal route.

Who said I was liberal? If you think Sarah Palin is inteligent, you truly are ignorant.

It has been perfectly ok for you to slam Gaylord in this thread and others, but when you come into contact with someone who is equally critical of where you come from, you simply dismiss that person as "ignorant".

When I have slammed Gaylord? Is posting the stats of a town slamming now?

First you claim I am ignorant of Detroit and SE mich. Half of my family lives down there, I have been visiting that part of the state all my life. I know what it is like there, I know how the people are different there.

You are ignorant of Detroit because you told me to go back to the stinkhole Madison Heights, which isn't even close to where I live and a totally different city.

Also anyone that disputes the fact that Detroit itself is a total crime infested sewer is simply dillusional and foolish. If you cannot admit that the people of southeast Mi (suburban) place more emphisis on career and status than other parts of the state, then you do not live in reality.

When did I say Detroit was not crime infested? In fact, why are we even talking about Detroit? Speaking of reality, why would you deny the fact that quality jobs are non existent in northern Michigan? You can't support yourself working part time for minimum wage. Period. This isn't about status. It's about making a living. How about you talk about the job status in northern Michigan instead of "Detoilet"?

You may not want to admit it but there is a snobbery there toward the rest of the state, but I suppose you are not seeing what you do not WANT to see.

How is there snobbery towards the rest of the state when many Detroiters head to northern Michigan on weekends and retire there?

You also accuse me of being ignorant of what Gaylord is like. I have friends in that area, I spend lots of time there. I know that town well. I have lived all over the state at different times during my adult life, Upper Michigan for 9 years, western lower mich area for 3 years, even lived in Livingston co for 9 months so very close to the Detroit area, and I have now lived in central Mi for a few years now.

You said you didn't live anywhere near Gaylord. Plus Livingston county isn't metro Detroit.

Yes I have moved around a bit, but I think I have a pretty good perspective on what the people are like in different parts of this state. You can go ahead and dismiss me as ignorant because I offended you, but remember your post toward Gaylord have been just as offensive as mine have been toward SE mich.

What post was offensive? Maybe I'll just call it Gaytoilet from now on.

[scolls]

Actually I'll go with Gayturd. Sounds pretty similar.

[kimba01]

Originally Posted by danielj72

I have said things about your hometown you do not like, so I must be ignorant. You also insert your liberal politics into the mix, when you take a cheapshot at Sarah Palins intelligence. Liberals always get personal in their disputes so that explains why you decided to go the personal route. It has been perfectly ok for you to slam Gaylord in this thread and others, but when you come into contact with someone who is equally critical of where you come from, you simply dismiss that person as "ignorant". First you claim I am ignorant of Detroit and SE mich. Half of my family lives down there, I have been visiting that part of the state all my life. I know what it is like there, I know how the people are different there. Also anyone that disputes the fact that Detroit itself is a total crime infested sewer is simply dillusional and foolish. If you cannot admit that the people of southeast Mi (suburban) place more emphisis on career and status than other parts of the state, then you do not live in reality. You may not want to admit it but there is a snobbery there toward the rest of the state, but I suppose you are not seeing what you do not WANT to see. You also accuse me of being ignorant of what Gaylord is like. I have friends in that area, I spend lots of time there. I know that town well. I have lived all over the state at different times during my adult life, Upper Michigan for 9 years, western lower mich area for 3 years, even lived in Livingston co for 9 months so very close to the Detroit area, and I have now lived in central Mi for a few years now. Yes I have moved around a bit, but I think I have a pretty good perspective on what the people are like in different parts of this state. You can go ahead and dismiss me as ignorant because I offended you, but remember your post toward Gaylord have been just as offensive as mine have been toward SE mich.

Wow! What a guy. I would hate to have a family member like you that thinks that "half his family" are snobs because they live in the lower part of the same state he lives in, AND that they all put more "emphasis on their careers and their status than other parts of the state". (because you LIVED in ALL other parts of the state, right?)

You are wrong about everyone in SE MI. Period. VISITING your family or anyone else ANYWHERE, is not the same as LIVING somewhere. What you see is not always what you get. I would not even consider making an assumption as to what people want and what they put more emphasis on ANYWHERE. You do not know these people's lives. You have no idea what they do or where they came from. I have lived here in SE MI my whole life. Suburbs of Detroit. I have seen all walks of life. But mostly I see people trying to have careers so they can make it comfortably. Just because they don't choose to live in the northern part of MI doesn't mean that they want to be better than those who do, they just want to be comfortable where they live. I have seen lived in areas where the people are lower income and are just trying to survive. Are there areas where the people are "snobs"? Yes. All of SE MI? Not at all. I have been all over MI and I see many expensive homes and areas all over. Homes that I couldn't begin to afford. Up north. Imagine that.

I do not say this because I have a loyalty to SE MI or anywhere in MI for that matter as I do not. My loyalty will never be towards a PLACE, but to the people I love. My whole family is still in MI, some in Marquette, some in Houghton, some in Gladwin, and most here in SE MI. All different cities. I think MI is a beautiful state, has wonderful natural resources and tons of stuff to do, depending on your interests. I, personally, am over the winters and love the west. Different strokes.

I think that the poster you are referring to was just using their experience as to the job situation there, in order to answer the OP, and he got flamed. It is tough all over MI. No doubt, it is tough in a lot of states. In areas where there is less of a population, it stands to reason jobs will be harder to come by...not impossible, though.

[danielj72]

Originally Posted by kimba01

Wow! What a guy. I would hate to have a family member like you that thinks that "half his family" are snobs because they live in the lower part of the same state he lives in, AND that they all put more "emphasis on their careers and their status than other parts of the state". (because you LIVED in ALL other parts of the state, right?)

You are wrong about everyone in SE MI. Period. VISITING your family or anyone else ANYWHERE, is not the same as LIVING somewhere. What you see is not always what you get. I would not even consider making an assumption as to what people want and what they put more emphasis on ANYWHERE. You do not know these people's lives. You have no idea what they do or where they came from. I have lived here in SE MI my whole life. Suburbs of Detroit. I have seen all walks of life. But mostly I see people trying to have careers so they can make it comfortably. Just because they don't choose to live in the northern part of MI doesn't mean that they want to be better than those who do, they just want to be comfortable where they live. I have seen lived in areas where the people are lower income and are just trying to survive. Are there areas where the people are "snobs"? Yes. All of SE MI? Not at all. I have been all over MI and I see many expensive homes and areas all over. Homes that I couldn't begin to afford. Up north. Imagine that.

I do not say this because I have a loyalty to SE MI or anywhere in MI for that matter as I do not. My loyalty will never be towards a PLACE, but to the people I love. My whole family is still in MI, some in Marquette, some in Houghton, some in Gladwin, and most here in SE MI. All different cities. I think MI is a beautiful state, has wonderful natural resources and tons of stuff to do, depending on your interests. I, personally, am over the winters and love the west. Different strokes.

I think that the poster you are referring to was just using their experience as to the job situation there, in order to answer the OP, and he got flamed. It is tough all over MI. No doubt, it is tough in a lot of states. In areas where there is less of a population, it stands to reason jobs will be harder to come by...not impossible, though.

When I posted the things I did I expected to get this kind of response. I have no doubt that SE Mich people will not like what I said. Many people hate broad sweeping statements and generalizations because no generalization is ever 100% correct. However I stand by my claim that SE michigan people value career and status alot more than people in the rest of Michigan. I also believe alot of them do look down on the less sophisticated rural parts of the state. I Know SE michigan natives who have openly said deragatory things about the rural parts of the state. I used to live near a tourist area of Upper Michigan, and saw how the visitors from metro detroit behave. They are rude when they go north for the weekend, they are loud and course, they take on an attitude of superiority when they deal with local people. Some will openly insult the "backward hicks" in Northern Michigan. Scolls postings remind me of having lived with this kind of thing for 9 years. Now I realize alot of people may be happy with the enviroment in SE Michigan and that is great for them. Like you said, "different strokes" right? I know ive made it easy for people to just say im negative, and overusing sterotypes but Im calling it how I see it. Im sure if you review the whole thread you will find lots of references by SE mich people slamming northern Michigan, so Im just returning some of the negativity they have been dishing out.

[kimba01]

Originally Posted by danielj72

When I posted the things I did I expected to get this kind of response. I have no doubt that SE Mich people will not like what I said. Many people hate broad sweeping statements and generalizations because no generalization is ever 100% correct. However I stand by my claim that SE michigan people value career and status alot more than people in the rest of Michigan. I also believe alot of them do look down on the less sophisticated rural parts of the state. I Know SE michigan natives who have openly said deragatory things about the rural parts of the state. I used to live near a tourist area of Upper Michigan, and saw how the visitors from metro detroit behave. They are rude when they go north for the weekend, they are loud and course, they take on an attitude of superiority when they deal with local people. Some will openly insult the "backward hicks" in Northern Michigan. Scolls postings remind me of having lived with this kind of thing for 9 years. Now I realize alot of people may be happy with the enviroment in SE Michigan and that is great for them. Like you said, "different strokes" right? I know ive made it easy for people to just say im negative, and overusing sterotypes but Im calling it how I see it. Im sure if you review the whole thread you will find lots of references by SE mich people slamming northern Michigan, so Im just returning some of the negativity they have been dishing out.

Of course you knew you would get a response, because you are not stating facts. You can't state facts about a group of people from anywhere unless you personally know them all. Yes, I am from SE MI, but as I said, I have no loyalty to the place. Actually, I thought about it and other than those I love, the only PLACE I have a loyalty to is my COUNTRY. Of course you know SE MI natives who've said derogatory things about rural MI, and now I know at least one who has said derogatory things about SE MI. (I actually know many more, but just making a point-get it?) So what? Who cares? There are buffoons everywhere. Let them talk. Makes them sound ignorant. You are not required to jump on that train, especially when you know how stupid it sounds.

I don't take your post as being negative, more like paranoid. Like you are worried everyone thinks less of you because of where you live. Who cares? If you love it, then love it and be happy you do. State what you find positive about your experience there, what makes you happy there. Not what you think is so negative about other people. I happen to think that the further west I go, the happier the people get. A lot of people disagree with that. Just my experience and Lord knows, I can relate. Funny what a little sunshine can do for a person's mood!

Personally, if MI didn't have cold, gray, snowy winters, I would move as far up as I could. I think it is beautiful and serene. But, I gotta have the sun in my life. (the mountains help too!!)

Enjoy your space!!!

[drupnorth]

I live in Bellaire and no jobs except Mcdonalds here, but lots of building going on in Petoskey so more opportunities there. The casinos may be hiring as well. There are always jobs if a person wants or needs to work. Good luck to you.

[canudigit]

Originally Posted by danielj72

When I posted the things I did I expected to get this kind of response. I have no doubt that SE Mich people will not like what I said. Many people hate broad sweeping statements and generalizations because no generalization is ever 100% correct. However I stand by my claim that SE michigan people value career and status alot more than people in the rest of Michigan. I also believe alot of them do look down on the less sophisticated rural parts of the state. I Know SE michigan natives who have openly said deragatory things about the rural parts of the state. I used to live near a tourist area of Upper Michigan, and saw how the visitors from metro detroit behave. They are rude when they go north for the weekend, they are loud and course, they take on an attitude of superiority when they deal with local people. Some will openly insult the "backward hicks" in Northern Michigan. Scolls postings remind me of having lived with this kind of thing for 9 years. Now I realize alot of people may be happy with the enviroment in SE Michigan and that is great for them. Like you said, "different strokes" right? I know ive made it easy for people to just say im negative, and overusing sterotypes but Im calling it how I see it. Im sure if you review the whole thread you will find lots of references by SE mich people slamming northern Michigan, so Im just returning some of the negativity they have been dishing out.

Ironically, I always feel that there is much more of a bias AGAINST the residents of SE Michigan by residents of other parts of the state vs. us being biased against the rest of Michigan. How many times have I read, both on this forum and elsewhere, that Metro Detroit is dragging down the rest of the state, that Detroit is draining the state's finances, that a person would have to be nuts to live near Detroit or in SE Michigan in general? It seems to be the uninformed consensus that the Detroit area is the worst part of the continental U.S., and those of us who choose to make our homes in this general vicinity are a bunch of idiots who are either just stupid or anxiously awaiting our "escape". It gets very old. Because, you see, there are many, many people who are thriving and happy right here in SE Michigan. We are not mentally deficient, we are not chronic victims of crime, in fact, I have never been a victim of any type of crime here in SE Michigan. It was only when we relocated to the Phoenix area briefly (thank God!) that we became victims of, in our case, car theft.

Say what you will about SE Michigan natives, but please don't try to speak for us and tell us how we feel and who we do and don't look down upon. I come from a long line of farmers on both sides of my family. Why would I look down on rural people? You can't stereotype people based on where they live.

ETA: The "Detoilet" thing is silly and juvenile. Just sayin'...