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Old 06-15-2010, 10:51 AM
 
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Can you believe an E-6 hazing soldiers within his platoon in this day and age?

Army NCO gets bad-conduct discharge for hazing - Korea - Stripes
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Old 06-15-2010, 11:18 AM
 
Location: New Mexico U.S.A.
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I am sorry to hear that events like this happen, but it does happen:
"CAMP RED CLOUD, South Korea A U.S. Army staff sergeant was reduced in rank to E-1 and given four months of confinement and a bad-conduct discharge after pleading guilty earlier this month to hazing new soldiers in his unit and striking another."
I remember years ago when I was in the service '68 - 90' Article 15's were posted on the Unit Bulletin Board, then years later I noticed the SSAN/SN name etc was blacked out. I wonder if soldier's are made aware of some of these incidents which occur.
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Old 06-15-2010, 11:42 AM
 
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Something else that bothers me about this type of situation is that there had to be other NCOs that were aware of what was going on at the time and didn't report it.

I was stationed at Aberdeen Proving Ground during the sex scandal in 1996. I knew a few of the drill instructors in that training company and I never got over the fact that they didn't report the NCOs and the company commander involved.
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Old 06-15-2010, 04:22 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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Something else that bothers me about this type of situation is that there had to be other NCOs that were aware of what was going on at the time and didn't report it.

I was stationed at Aberdeen Proving Ground during the sex scandal in 1996. I knew a few of the drill instructors in that training company and I never got over the fact that they didn't report the NCOs and the company commander involved.
^^!!!

And the article makes it sound more like assault then hazing!
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Old 06-15-2010, 04:41 PM
 
Location: Hawaii/Alabama
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Something else that bothers me about this type of situation is that there had to be other NCOs that were aware of what was going on at the time and didn't report it.

I was stationed at Aberdeen Proving Ground during the sex scandal in 1996. I knew a few of the drill instructors in that training company and I never got over the fact that they didn't report the NCOs and the company commander involved.
My Hubby was one of the Investigators during "Bootygate '98" -the sex scandal at the USDB. FLW. It was truly amazing how my Hubby was the 'bad guy' for during his duty and finding those that were involved with sex with inmates, sex within the facility, sex with subordinates and just plain adultery.

One NCO actually jumped out of a second floor barracks room where he was engaged in sexual activities with one of his squad members (yes, he was married and had children).

The upset within the USDB Staff and their families made a HUGE impact on the Post and it was a pure disgrace!
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Old 06-15-2010, 06:46 PM
 
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I am not surprised. Some personnel cannot handle the responsibility that accompanies rank because it goes to their head. We've seen it before and we will continue to see it more.
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Old 07-07-2010, 08:19 AM
 
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Something else that bothers me about this type of situation is that there had to be other NCOs that were aware of what was going on at the time and didn't report it.

I was stationed at Aberdeen Proving Ground during the sex scandal in 1996. I knew a few of the drill instructors in that training company and I never got over the fact that they didn't report the NCOs and the company commander involved.

Rocking the boat results in your career going down the crapper while SOS continues.
VERY few officers support discipline because it reflects on their abilty as "natural" leaders which is the tone set by the academy grads who control the services.
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Old 07-09-2010, 10:45 PM
 
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I have never been stationed to Korea, but I met up with some of my old soldiers over the 4th of July weekend who just got back from there. They said the culture and climate there is unbelievably bad. Soldiers are out of control, and it is often with the tacit agreement of the command. My former soldier, a good guy, BEAT his soldier to discipline him.. more than once.

I couldn't belive this. WTF? (I brought this guy up to the NCO ranks.) He said he got zero respect and support because of his rank over there, so he did what he had to do to maintain control. (He's a little guy, but he's scrappy.) I absolutely under no circumstances condone this, and I let him know that, but I know the guy well enough to know that something must have been going crazy over there for him to take these measures.

Apparently, we're going to see more of this out of Korea until someone senior goes over and reinforces the rank structure and reminds soldiers who they are and where they're at.
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Old 07-09-2010, 11:23 PM
 
Location: New Mexico U.S.A.
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I have never been stationed to Korea, but I met up with some of my old soldiers over the 4th of July weekend who just got back from there. They said the culture and climate there is unbelievably bad. Soldiers are out of control, and it is often with the tacit agreement of the command. My former soldier, a good guy, BEAT his soldier to discipline him.. more than once.

I couldn't belive this. WTF? (I brought this guy up to the NCO ranks.) He said he got zero respect and support because of his rank over there, so he did what he had to do to maintain control. (He's a little guy, but he's scrappy.) I absolutely under no circumstances condone this, and I let him know that, but I know the guy well enough to know that something must have been going crazy over there for him to take these measures.

Apparently, we're going to see more of this out of Korea until someone senior goes over and reinforces the rank structure and reminds soldiers who they are and where they're at.
I had two tours, 70's, 80's. TDY's also, civilian contractor over the past 20 years, and have talked to several troops I know, some who I actually babysat them in the 80's and 90's, to their embarrassment. One even calls me dad, his father passed away...

Sorry, I just do not agree to your assessment. My experiences totally different...


Rich
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Old 07-10-2010, 07:09 AM
 
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I had two tours, 70's, 80's. TDY's also, civilian contractor over the past 20 years, and have talked to several troops I know, some who I actually babysat them in the 80's and 90's, to their embarrassment. One even calls me dad, his father passed away...

Sorry, I just do not agree to your assessment. My experiences totally different...


Rich
Rich, this isn't my assessment. I am passing on hearsay. As I said, two of my friends just got back from tours there and I'm passing on what they told me. I have heard stories about Korea for the past 10 years I've been in the Army. This is the first time I've heard stories like theirs. My assessment is that if something is going on there; it's recent and it's due to bad leadership. This does happen in the military from time to time -- a unit will catch a bad behavior bug like a virus. (I think this was what happened in Abu Graib, for example.) If this is the case, there needs to be a house cleaning there to remind the soldiers there that we aren't the ROC Army.
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