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Old 09-03-2010, 05:55 PM
 
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I am currently raising cain with my safety office about the fitness program because its dangerous and encourages unhealthy behavior. I am in the Air National Guard, we are an older force, but not any less combat ready and much more experienced and knoweledgeable than our active duty counterparts. we excell on every deployment with and without active duty.

Anyway, here is the problem with it.

1. Situps are very hazardous to your back health. even when younger, you just don't pay the price for the damage until you hit your 40's.

This is true. This is why the Marine Corps does crunches for their PFT vice sit-ups. Also tends to cause neck strain as well.

2. Jogging on pavement is very bad for your knees, ankles and back and doesn't provide very much benefit for the damage they do.

not sure you can argue this. being overweight is just as bad on your knees and back. good shoes, good form, good preparation mitigates alot of this. Marathon runners run 26 miles on pavement. you run a mile and a half. Which can be trained for by running 2-3 miles, 3 times a week which only takes 20-30 minutes of a time.

3. The Air National Guard is providing no training at all on how to prepare for the test.
doing situps to prepare for situp portion is worst thingg you can do. better to do core exercises that strengthen your core while spine is straight is best way to prepare and minimize the damage situps do. swimming and eliptical trainer should replace jogging.

leadership issue

4. everyone knows that when you fear losing your job, you will lie on the pre-screening form and put your health at risk. DC and a fire department have already had deaths because of this.

also, by encoraging a gym rat force, we will dumb down the air force and be less combat ready where it counts.
ever notice the go to guys are usually not the best fit? its because they devote their time more to craft than to useless aestetics. Gym rats don't even have the necesary endurance to perform at a high level at extreme temperatures. I have worked construction my whole life from a brick laying family, gym rats don't have work endurance.

Why is it an either/or? what happened to the principle of scholar athlete? you're not being asked to be a gym rat. you're being asked to be fit.the goals set force by the USAF are attainable ones.

Ask any back, bone and joint specialist or physical therapsit. they will all tell you the fitness standards are jokes. All will tell you not to do situps.
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Old 09-03-2010, 07:40 PM
 
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I am currently raising cain with my safety office about the fitness program because its dangerous and encourages unhealthy behavior. I am in the Air National Guard, we are an older force, but not any less combat ready and much more experienced and knoweledgeable than our active duty counterparts. we excell on every deployment with and without active duty.

Anyway, here is the problem with it.

1. Situps are very hazardous to your back health. even when younger, you just don't pay the price for the damage until you hit your 40's.
2. Jogging on pavement is very bad for your knees, ankles and back and doesn't provide very much benefit for the damage they do.
3. The Air National Guard is providing no training at all on how to prepare for the test. doing situps to prepare for situp portion is worst thingg you can do. better to do core exercises that strengthen your core while spine is straight is best way to prepare and minimize the damage situps do. swimming and eliptical trainer should replace jogging.
4. everyone knows that when you fear losing your job, you will lie on the pre-screening form and put your health at risk. DC and a fire department have already had deaths because of this.

also, by encoraging a gym rat force, we will dumb down the air force and be less combat ready where it counts. ever notice the go to guys are usually not the best fit? its because they devote their time more to craft than to useless aestetics. Gym rats don't even have the necesary endurance to perform at a high level at extreme temperatures. I have worked construction my whole life from a brick laying family, gym rats don't have work endurance.

Ask any back, bone and joint specialist or physical therapsit. they will all tell you the fitness standards are jokes. All will tell you not to do situps.
You named many things you consider negative; what do you consider positive with the new fitness standards?
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Old 09-04-2010, 08:04 PM
 
Location: massachusetts
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You named many things you consider negative; what do you consider positive with the new fitness standards?
push ups are good and i like the idea of testing more than once a year. Quarterly would even be better. Once a month would be ideal. I also like that we are now given time everyday set aside to work out.

I would like to see a shift to functionally fit activities. Allow competive physical sports to be encouraged over obsessive compulsive type activities. We cant play basketball on our hour but we can run and lift weights. Basketball, football, raquetball would be way better at making us combat ready than the gym.
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Old 09-05-2010, 10:39 AM
 
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The test changed (seemingly became harder) so naturally a higher percentage of people are going to fail. There have always been those who will do just enough to get by. They were probably barely passing the old test.
Ditto. In fact some believe the whole reason the AF upped the PT standards is so the AF could start getting rid of the older guys, in a last attempt to save $$$ by not having to pay out to as many retirees, and also because the older guys were part of the "no PT" generation so some of them are already fat/out of shape anyways. You don't see the AF coming back with the "retire at 16" option they offered when they were force shaping 15 something years ago. That would certainly get some to sign and walk.

However at the same time you're also throwing out your most experienced folks. My belief is eventually the AF will lose too many guys and then will open the door back up for new meat. So then you'll eventually end up with a bunch of new cats that don't know squat and few experienced people. It will be interesting then, especially since now we don't have nearly as many people 15 years ago, and training is already IMO inadequate, but there's nothing I can do...anymore you have to get a troop spun up the second he in-processes the base.

Of course it wouldn't surprise me if the AF eventually upped the PT test to a 3 mile run in under 18 minutes with like 75 push ups and 65 sit ups n under a minute to pass.

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I also like that we are now given time everyday set aside to work out.
Must be nice...PT for us is pretty much "do it on your own time".
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Old 09-05-2010, 10:48 AM
 
Location: New Mexico U.S.A.
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Must be nice...PT for us is pretty much "do it on your own time".
On some of my Army assignments, it was typically on "our own time", three days per week, 05:30 hours to 06:30 hours which gives you an hour to clean-up, eat and make the 07:30 hour formation. Duty was scheduled to end at 16:30 hours, but not always.

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Old 09-07-2010, 09:42 PM
 
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I also like that we are now given time everyday set aside to work out.
It actually does the opposite. Previously the AFI stipulated that members had to be given time off from work 3 days a week to PT. They took away the requirement and now it's commander's discretion. I found out during my 2 weeks of annual tour that they don't let people leave to do PT. We're a 12 hour shift 24 hour a day shop, so not sure how anyone is going to get in PT during duty hours. Hell, by the time you get out of work, drive home, and eat dinner it's already nearly bedtime. Good luck getting to bed at a reasonable hour if you do PT in the evenings like that.
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Old 09-08-2010, 08:43 AM
 
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I work in AF town. One thing I noticed going to the gym this morning is how much more active it is than when I first got stationed here. I used to have the gym to myself. Now the gym is full, the basketball court is full , there are people on the track, on the outdoor courts, on both running trails. It's actually kind of nice to see everyone up in the morning working out.
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Old 09-08-2010, 08:54 AM
 
Location: New Mexico U.S.A.
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My wife works on an AFB, she had noticed a substantial increase in runners and athletics...

Rich
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Old 09-08-2010, 10:09 AM
 
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I think the increase in fitness levels will be a win win for airmen and the Air Force.
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Old 09-08-2010, 06:18 PM
 
Location: United Kingdom
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I think the increase in fitness levels will be a win win for airmen and the Air Force.
Eh maybe so… maybe not... For Example at my work location, if you fail your test you go on the fat boy program as it’s called. For normal folks PT is at 0700-0800. Then you’re expected to be at work by 0830. Will if you’re on the fat boy program, you come in at 0700 and go to pt at 1200. So those folks leave around 1115 and aren’t expected to come back till 1430-1500. By time they get back/ settled in, they only have about an hour till their off for the day. It might not seem like that much time to those looking in.
But when you’re a small shop, you feel it quite a bit. Example: When you’re trying to juggle people who have appointments, training, on leave, lunch breaks, etc… around to make sure you always have someone here. Those people being gone basically the whole middle of the day, make it that much harder. Were already doing more with less and this doesn’t help. But in about a year it won’t be as bad. “Due to those unfit people being kicked out”. I know physical fitness is important, but right now and as of late. It seems to be the only thing deemed truly important. Something’s not right with that.

Both positives and negatives with the new program. “As is the case with most things in life”. I just shut up and color as the phrase goes.
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