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Old 12-25-2010, 12:30 AM
 
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this question only occurred to me recently, and since my parents and others I knew in their generation have passed away I don't have anyone to ask:

did you guys' parents, or parents of others who served in Vietnam, ever express an opinion on their tax dollars going to fund Student Financial Aid programs to keep individuals out of the military?

as you know, in the Vietnam era (and before), military service wasn't optional; I'm not referring to those who legitimately wanted a college education, I'm referring to those who went to college on these government-funded (meaning: taxpayer-funded) programs solely to avoid being drafted.
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Old 12-25-2010, 03:09 AM
 
Location: Texas
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this question only occurred to me recently, and since my parents and others I knew in their generation have passed away I don't have anyone to ask:

did you guys' parents, or parents of others who served in Vietnam, ever express an opinion on their tax dollars going to fund Student Financial Aid programs to keep individuals out of the military?

as you know, in the Vietnam era (and before), military service wasn't optional; I'm not referring to those who legitimately wanted a college education, I'm referring to those who went to college on these government-funded (meaning: taxpayer-funded) programs solely to avoid being drafted.

No. But, I'm not even sure the government was involved in studen financial aid back then. Maybe they were and I can't remember.

Dad was a WWII vet and he didn't have much use for draft dodgers.
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Old 12-25-2010, 05:04 AM
 
Location: God's Gift to Mankind for flying anything
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I'm not referring to those who legitimately wanted a college education, I'm referring to those who went to college on these government-funded (meaning: taxpayer-funded) programs solely to avoid being drafted.
How would you know who wanted an education or who wanted to stay out of the draft ???

Unless you have a surefire way to determine that, I would not even bother with it.

BTW, I am a Vietnam veteran.
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Old 04-13-2011, 05:31 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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I am a veteran of the USN Riverine Forces 1996-1997. I volunteered for 'Nam for many foolish reasons and the River Boats for even more. After a very interesting year I went back to the World and was treated like s**t. The obnoxious I ignored, the threatening I clobbered. I didn't care if people avoided the draft and 'Nam. Consider my mental state I thought not going there was a very good idea. After I learned we were just trying to restore the French empire I realized I was fighting on the wrong side. I have never gotten over that betrayal. I have found out that the memories of war do not ever go away.

Since then I have seen our country involved in a series of colonial wars to protect the petroleum industry’s propensity to steal what it did not own. IMHO we should have stayed home and let the natives abuse each other to their heart’s content. We need to learn that some things are not our fight.

I have also seen countless zillions of dollars wasted in war that should have been used to maintain our own country. IMHO safe bridges are a higher priority than protecting the poppy fields of Afghanistan or some sleaze ball’s “right” to build a pipeline to ship oil to China.
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Old 04-13-2011, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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Tia, I also am a Vietnam Veteran, I served with the 9th Infantry Division from 68-70. It doesn't bother me that there were those who refused to serve, it's their choice. Most who served in Vietnam were not draftees, maybe 30% of all who served in Vietnam were drafted. What really bothered me was the citizens of the United States decided to take out their fustrations with the VN war on those who served, that is a blight that will not be removed from our history until the last Vietnam Veteran dies.
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Old 04-19-2011, 07:22 PM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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I was in Vietnam in 1963 and 1966-67 I can honestly say I never cared. I was born a soldier and didn't really want whiners screwing things up for me. People whine about Bush and Cheyney not going just like they did about Clinton, I can't imagine being in a position where my life dependeed on any of them. As far as I am concerned the US should have used the system the Germans had where volunteers were paid much more than conscripts and the War in Vietnam should have been fought with only volunteer units.
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Old 04-22-2011, 11:09 PM
 
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i am admittedly not particularly proud of the vietnam war, but i am extremely proud of the vietnam vets that i have known over the years, and i am proud of the fact that most of them that i know were just trying to make the best of a bad situation and finish their deployments with honor.

the examples of the vets that i have known throughout my life are a large portion of my decision to join the marine corps infantry. it was ironic then that i am also not particularly proud of the iraq war, but i worked to make the best of a bad situation, to come home with honor, and to help the iraqi people as much as possible.
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Old 04-23-2011, 10:07 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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People have been avoiding military service for a long time. During the Civil War, the first national conscription, 6% of the Union soldiers were paid substitutes. I served in the Vietnam Era, but never went to SE Asia. However, I don't know anybody who would want to fight alongside a potential draft dodger anyway. Leave them at home and let the heros serve proudly!
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Old 04-23-2011, 10:39 PM
 
Location: Holiday, FL
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Tia, I also am a Vietnam Veteran, I served with the 9th Infantry Division from 68-70. It doesn't bother me that there were those who refused to serve, it's their choice. Most who served in Vietnam were not draftees, maybe 30% of all who served in Vietnam were drafted. What really bothered me was the citizens of the United States decided to take out their fustrations with the VN war on those who served, that is a blight that will not be removed from our history until the last Vietnam Veteran dies.
I agree completely, Once we're all gone, the scar will finally be healed. There are things that won't appear in history texts.
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Old 04-24-2011, 08:56 AM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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Tia, I also am a Vietnam Veteran, I served with the 9th Infantry Division from 68-70. It doesn't bother me that there were those who refused to serve, it's their choice. Most who served in Vietnam were not draftees, maybe 30% of all who served in Vietnam were drafted. What really bothered me was the citizens of the United States decided to take out their fustrations with the VN war on those who served, that is a blight that will not be removed from our history until the last Vietnam Veteran dies.
I don't know about where you grew up but in North Philadelphia the good employers wouldn't hire you until you had completed your military obligation. That meant you could sit and wait for the draft, enlist or push up your draft date. Those who volunteered by pushing up their draft still counted as conscripts. I myself enlisted and shipped a few weeks after my 17th.
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