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Old 03-04-2011, 06:26 AM
 
Location: Fuquay Varina
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"Thankfully, this doesn't pertain to officers"? So it is OK if officers camp out, don't meet weight requirements and it is easier for them to enlist? I do not understand what you are trying to say.

Officers don't enlist
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Old 03-04-2011, 06:54 AM
 
Location: Matthews, NC
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Officers don't enlist
OK, I used the wrong word. I guess I should change it to "is it OK for the OCS selection process to be less discriminating"? The point was I don't understand the comment "thankfully, this doesn't pertain to officers".
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Old 03-04-2011, 10:36 PM
 
Location: deployed - afghanistan
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"Thankfully, this doesn't pertain to officers"? So it is OK if officers camp out, don't meet weight requirements and it is easier for them to enlist? I do not understand what you are trying to say.

thankfully, it doesnt pertain to officers (the cut-back in the prospected 49,000 troop cut) bc i happen to be an officer. and you are right, officers do not re-enlist; we are re-commissioned at every rank. nevertheless, the cut back coming soon doesnt pertain to officers as it does enlisted.
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Old 03-04-2011, 10:40 PM
 
Location: deployed - afghanistan
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OK, I used the wrong word. I guess I should change it to "is it OK for the OCS selection process to be less discriminating"? The point was I don't understand the comment "thankfully, this doesn't pertain to officers".

1. OCS selection is far more difficult than ANY enlistment - anyone in the military or knowing anything about the process of becoming a commissioned officer will tell you this.
2. i didnt go thru OCS - i went through ROTC and it is getting harder to get into the program now, as the minimum GPA for army scholarships are very competitive now bc alot of people are wanting in the corps due to the career and bad economy.
3. its not a matter of which is more discriminatory. the army has far more enlisted than officer personnel, thus the cut back is geared towards the greater populace between the 2 entities. (officer/enlisted)
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Old 03-05-2011, 03:58 PM
 
Location: Greenville, SC
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"Thankfully, this doesn't pertain to officers"? So it is OK if officers camp out, don't meet weight requirements and it is easier for them to enlist? I do not understand what you are trying to say.
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Furthermore, officers were a huge part of the problem during my service in the Corps. They'd go to the mat for the biggest turds in the platoon/company/battalion, due to the low re-enlistment rate (8% for first-termers at that time), but anyone who was productive got the shaft. Just like any government bureaucracy, which is what too much of the armed forces have turned into.

Time for a complete overhaul of the force. I'm sick of hearing about all the bureaucratic BS and the massive army of contractors required to accomplish the mission, these days.
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Old 03-05-2011, 06:06 PM
 
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1. OCS selection is far more difficult than ANY enlistment - anyone in the military or knowing anything about the process of becoming a commissioned officer will tell you this.
2. i didnt go thru OCS - i went through ROTC and it is getting harder to get into the program now, as the minimum GPA for army scholarships are very competitive now bc alot of people are wanting in the corps due to the career and bad economy.
3. its not a matter of which is more discriminatory. the army has far more enlisted than officer personnel, thus the cut back is geared towards the greater populace between the 2 entities. (officer/enlisted)

yes and know. For the Marine Corps specifically, If you are an average white male it s the hardest it's ever been to become an officer. If you are a female or minority, not so much. That said the requirements for becoming an officer, or harder as far as education/intelligence and physical fitness, but all the moral requirements (and waivers) are the same as enlisted. The only one that is more strict is tattoos. Marine officers can't have any visible tattoos.

The officer ranks have "diversity quotas" where the enlisted ranks don't. It may not be PC to say but there aren't enough qualified minorities and females that meet the criteria to feel those quotas. Especially minorities. I've heard of Officer Selection Officers go as far as scouring the enlisted DEPs for qualified minorities, encouraging them to enroll in school and DEP discharge so they can then come in as officers.
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Old 03-26-2011, 10:37 AM
 
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I have been in and out of school since i was 18. I committed a misdemeanor at 18 for unlawful entry in a car. the hearing took place at a superior court and was classified as a felony because of that. charges were dropped due to PTI service.

In the states eyes it is a non-plea. in the Army's eyes its considered a guilty plea.

Truth is I wasn't committing a crime, but getting my clothes out of my ex girlfriends car. her parents pressed charges then dropped them simply as a warning. The state decided to prosecute regardless and now my career is screwed. I have been working hard for 2 years to get into the shape I am, and my recruiter waited until after I scored a 90 on my ASVAB to tell me I couldn't enlist.

With the failing job market, and my past devotion to join the Army to make my grandfather, SSGT. Weber, proud, I now live with no current career future. I have more than proved I can be a successful soldier in the US. Army and was declined a position because of a misunderstanding when I was a stupid 18 year old.
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Old 03-27-2011, 08:09 AM
 
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To be honest this is ridiculous, I got in trouble 12 years ago and it was youthful offender sealed and it was a misdemeanor according to NYS but because it happened after my 18th Birthday the Army wont accept the waiver. All the Government is doing is denying their own people the right to serve the country they love. I am physically fit and this is all thats stopping me from enlisting. Everyone is complaining about the unemployment rate well to me this is just another reason why!!!!
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Old 03-27-2011, 09:26 AM
 
Location: New Mexico USA
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To be honest this is ridiculous, I got in trouble 12 years ago and it was youthful offender sealed and it was a misdemeanor according to NYS but because it happened after my 18th Birthday the Army wont accept the waiver. All the Government is doing is denying their own people the right to serve the country they love. I am physically fit and this is all thats stopping me from enlisting. Everyone is complaining about the unemployment rate well to me this is just another reason why!!!!
No, it is not ridiculous, it is the established recruiting process of the US Army, and the other branches as well. They have different standards.

The US Military is not designed to be a system to alleviate unemployment.

Thousands get rejected from military service for various reasons.

You wish to serve your country which you love? Serving in the military is not the only way you can help your country.



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Old 01-14-2012, 10:56 PM
 
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i am currently employed, have some college, in great shape, and have jrotc exp. i recently got in trouble for firearm possession while target shooting on my own private property. i was fully cooperative with law enforcement (which is a total mistake and is the reason i'm in so much trouble). which is landing me total of 5 felonies including a 2nd degree. (anyone want to guess what state i live in?) And i want to join but now i dont foresee that being possible. although a recruiter is currently trying to help me.
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