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Old 08-21-2011, 01:52 PM
 
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Saw a news story on CNN this week about returning vets having a tough time getting jobs,although the CNN story said unemployment figures for returning vets was 4 times national average a bit of research has differing figures but one thing is for sure returning vets seem to be getting kicked to the curb when looking for employment on their return Whats gone wrong? As it seems people are thanking our vets for their service but thats as far as it goes?
If i were in charge of hiring returning vets would get priority on jobs but it seems in reality its the otherway around. Google

Yeah, no kidding. How many people have I met who wanted to join because, ya know, the government will pay for this and that. Oh, and they can even go to College for free! Once they got out, they only had XX years of military service under their belt. You can equate that pretty much to 0 experience. It's no surprise people are reluctant to hire them. Total lack of experience and/or education. Why do you think the government wants to force employers to give them a higher priority? For exactly that reason. Otherwise, the numbers would be much higher.
Most people I know just joined for the free-rides they expected. Not because they actually wanted to defend the U.S. So, I,too, would not hire them just because they joined the military. Maybe a military fanatic would, though.That probably msotly applies to people who joined right after High School. Otherwise, I would think you have some kind of experience.
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Old 08-21-2011, 06:00 PM
 
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Yeah, no kidding. How many people have I met who wanted to join because, ya know, the government will pay for this and that. Oh, and they can even go to College for free! Once they got out, they only had XX years of military service under their belt. You can equate that pretty much to 0 experience. It's no surprise people are reluctant to hire them. Total lack of experience and/or education. Why do you think the government wants to force employers to give them a higher priority? For exactly that reason. Otherwise, the numbers would be much higher.
Most people I know just joined for the free-rides they expected. Not because they actually wanted to defend the U.S. So, I,too, would not hire them just because they joined the military. Maybe a military fanatic would, though.That probably msotly applies to people who joined right after High School. Otherwise, I would think you have some kind of experience.
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Old 08-21-2011, 09:28 PM
 
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Yeah, no kidding. How many people have I met who wanted to join because, ya know, the government will pay for this and that. Oh, and they can even go to College for free! Once they got out, they only had XX years of military service under their belt. You can equate that pretty much to 0 experience. It's no surprise people are reluctant to hire them. Total lack of experience and/or education. Why do you think the government wants to force employers to give them a higher priority? For exactly that reason. Otherwise, the numbers would be much higher.
Most people I know just joined for the free-rides they expected. Not because they actually wanted to defend the U.S. So, I,too, would not hire them just because they joined the military. Maybe a military fanatic would, though.That probably msotly applies to people who joined right after High School. Otherwise, I would think you have some kind of experience.

Its blatantly obvious YOU were never in the military..............
The education in life that I got in 18 months of active duty in the Army could not be replaced by 10 years in civilian life........
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Old 08-21-2011, 09:38 PM
 
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The education in life that I got in 18 months of active duty in the Army could not be replaced by 10 years in civilian life........
and my comment about military chest beating has been validated......
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Old 08-21-2011, 09:43 PM
 
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and my comment about military chest beating has been validated......

SO:

Someone who has experienced two different things makes a statement.

And YOU (Who are TOTALLY IGNORANT of one) profess:

1. Their FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE is wrong
2. They are posturing....


Please share with us what ACTUAL KNOWLEDGE you base this on.

Thank you.
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Old 08-21-2011, 09:45 PM
 
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and my comment about military chest beating has been validated......
I don't understand this comment at all.

I've stated multiple times the type of leadership capabilities, working under extreme stresses and followership capabilities learned in the military can not be beat by any civilian courses offered anywhere. Stating the fact that the military teaches intangibles to Sgt. Smith that will never compare to anything that Mr. Smith could learn should be considered as much "chest beating" as saying that a degree from Stanford is better than a degree from university of Phoenix online.
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Old 08-22-2011, 08:44 AM
 
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Its blatantly obvious YOU were never in the military..............
The education in life that I got in 18 months of active duty in the Army could not be replaced by 10 years in civilian life........
Only if pigs can fly.

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I don't understand this comment at all.

I've stated multiple times the type of leadership capabilities, working under extreme stresses and followership capabilities learned in the military can not be beat by any civilian courses offered anywhere. Stating the fact that the military teaches intangibles to Sgt. Smith that will never compare to anything that Mr. Smith could learn should be considered as much "chest beating" as saying that a degree from Stanford is better than a degree from university of Phoenix online.

What kind of job requires military experience? None. You will have to stay in the military or face the fact that you will have a hard time finding employment. As I said, there's a reason for higher unemployment among veterans and the government trying to make business hire them. And it's not because people don't want to hire them simply because of their status. It's because of the lack of experience. Military experience won't help you there. Maybe if you wanted to work in the security field.
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Old 08-22-2011, 08:48 AM
 
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Only if pigs can fly.
Youd better start getting your shotgun ready then, because we'll have to start shooting down our bacon.

Its comments like these that show the OP any all the other veterans why getting jobs is hard. There are completely uneducated indivduals that have no idea what we have been through and what we are capable of.
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Old 08-22-2011, 02:53 PM
 
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I've stated multiple times the type of leadership capabilities, working under extreme stresses and followership capabilities learned in the military can not be beat by any civilian courses offered anywhere.
We are not talking courses we are talking employment, didn;t the miitary teach you the difference? When a civilian hiring is happening there are a number of criteria used. Personal traits is just one. If your saying that simply by virtue of a person being in the military their personal traits trumps all other criteria in civilian employment, you have a lot to learn about the civilian world. A person being hired is selected based on a combination of all items and it would be foolish to hire a person simply because they were in the military if they fail at all the other requirments.

Military chest beating is when someone feels that because they served in the military they are owed the employment. You want them hired not because they can do the job but because they were ex military.

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Stating the fact that the military teaches intangibles to Sgt. Smith that will never compare to anything that Mr. Smith could learn should be considered as much "chest beating" as saying that a degree from Stanford is better than a degree from university of Phoenix online.
Your digging the military chest beating hole even deeper
If I;m hiring for a international logistics specialist and two people applied. one from Stanford with a masters in Education and 4 years experience teaching boys soccer and another from The University opf Phioenix ON-LINE with an associates in Supply Side Logiostics Management and 3 years as an international logistics preparer, that Stanford guy isn;t going to even get the interview.

What you are saying is we should hire a personnel paper-pusher from the air force to be a flight engineer because he's ex-military and can take orders and follow orders well. Your saying that the guy in artillary will make a better flights operations manager than the guy from a civilain airline who did the job. Your saying the girl who was a MP is better for the job as a ground support specialist because she was in the military. That a civilian with 4 years of specific job related experience is no match for some cook in the navy and that navy cook should get the job. That's basically what your saying.

Stop embarrising yourself - you not helping vets with that attitude.

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Old 08-22-2011, 03:21 PM
 
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It just really all comes down to education/degrees the vet has. If they have no real trained skill on paper it is really not going to mean much in the civilian rate. I am not dismissing loyal service by any means, but realistically you need a degree now a days (or a trained skill) to gain employment that is not minimum wage.
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