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Okay, let me set you straight. I was a Personnel Specialist, a Personnel Management Specialist, and a Personnel Staff NCO. I know a little bit about the Army's Enlisted Promotion and Reduction Regulations as included in Army Regulation 600-8-19 which you can find @ http://www.apd.army.mil/pdffiles/r600_8_19.pdf.
Soldiers in Fields 11, 13, 18, and others can be promoted from PFC E-3 to Corporal E-4 IF THE POSITION THEY ARE FILLING CALLS FOR A CORPORAL! In many cases, they may have to undergo a form of NCO training before or after the promotion.
At the same time, any Specialist may convert to a NCO status if their job calls for it and they have received the appropriate training. There are Sp-6, Sp-7 ranks but most soldiers promoted to E-6 usually are promoted to Staff Sergeant, an NCO rank. It all depends upon their MOS and position.
First, you are not "going to set me straight." I am also a retired senior NCO, retired in 2009, so I also know a bit about the enlisted branch....
Second, you did not call out any MOSs in your prior posting, you generalized, now you want to bring in specaility MOSs...way to change the goal post....
Third, when was the last time you EVER seen a SP6 or SP7, and please show me the pay scale for those....? LOL....
Fourth, a specaialist CANNOT just convert to a NCO status if their job "just calls for it." Please show me where (in any regulation) that a specialist can go from E-4 to E-5, without being in a promotable status, and they were not picked up by the monthly promotions (not including corporal).
When you can provide those answers, with back up...then I may beleive you, until then....lol...
Chucksnee - you are correct, all grades above Sp4 were removed in 1985 after I retired.
Going from Sp4 ot Cpl is called a lateral promotion and, when the soldier is assigned to a position of leadership, the platoon sergeant and platoon leader to the company 1SG and commander which then goes to battalion for approval.
That's the latest information I could get out of AR 600-8-19. If you have anything else out of the regulation, please post it.
And yes, I did not know they did away with SP5 so any E4 who is promoted automatically goes to Sgt.
Third, when was the last time you EVER seen a SP6 or SP7, and please show me the pay scale for those....? LOL....
Probably 1968 or 69... We had a "Mess Sergeant" who had the rank of SP7. They got the same pay as an E-7, but they had Pro-Pay or Specialty pay (I do not recall which). My valuable source says that in 1978 the specialist rank of E-7 was discontinued and in 1985, the specialist ranks at E-5 and E-6 were discontinued
Chucksnee - you are correct, all grades above Sp4 were removed in 1985 after I retired.
When I went in, in 1988 they were already gone....
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Going from Sp4 ot Cpl is called a lateral promotion and, when the soldier is assigned to a position of leadership, the platoon sergeant and platoon leader to the company 1SG and commander which then goes to battalion for approval..
Sometimes, not all the time...
Yes, it is a lateral, has always been...they are there, CPLs, you'll see them more in the infintary ranks than anywhere else (I think) I know when they would transiation from 11B to 15/67U as a corporal, the corporal would be removed, unless already in promotable status...
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Originally Posted by sargentodiaz
That's the latest information I could get out of AR 600-8-19. If you have anything else out of the regulation, please post it..
I personally don't care about the regs anymore, glad that you do, more poweer to you for doing it...
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And yes, I did not know they did away with SP5 so any E4 who is promoted automatically goes to Sgt.
Yep, as long as they pass all the boards and go through all the crap they have to go through now a days....they get promoted from E4 - E5, then go through the same crap agian, for E-5 - E-6, then DA for E7 and above.
Korea, from Oct 1957 to Dec 1958 in the 304th Signal Bn. I was on a radio relay team and if you were the team leader, the promotion was always to Cpl.
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