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Old 11-24-2011, 02:57 AM
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
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When I posted this topic on the education board, the teachers there not only defended the professor, but also accused me of being against freedom of speech before the topic was moved to the politics board.
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Old 11-24-2011, 06:05 AM
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Why do those who defend our right to free speech, don't realize that came at a cost of military men who fought in the revolutionary war? It seems like popular rhetoric to put down the military. I wish that the university would show some spirit, and fire this guy. Sure, you have a right to free speech, but as an employer, we don't need to show support for those views. Same as the "Afflack" duck guy, Gilbert, got fired for making a joke about the Japanese Tsunami. He was sent packing.
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Old 11-24-2011, 08:38 AM
Location: Nebraska
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I don't think that anyone should be solicited to send care packages to soldiers. I consider it shameful that people feel that they should have to do this.

They should have what they need, anything and everything they need, freely, proudly, and extensively provided for them by the people whom they are protecting and defending. Not only while they are in other countries, but once they come back home.

Next weekend we are doing our annual state collection campaign for our veterans' home. The American Legion Ladies' Auxiliary travels from town to town, collecting premade ditty bags, cookies, cards and letters, toiletries, blankets, even clothes and shoes, and taking them all in vans and trucks to the veterans' home.

What would make some decent people cry would be to realize that these are not doddring, helpless ancients wandering around nursing homes, but men and women, once young and strong, once healthy and able, who have been brought to the homes because they were found homeless, wandering the streets, unable to care for themselves and having no one to care for them. These are our veterans of today - and all of the "Support Our Troops!" BS in the media is not taking into account the cold hard truth that many of the people who served this country, who put their own lives on the line for a faith and a belief, are cast out and ignored, left to starve and become ill, once they are separated.

You wouldn't ask another human to declare and prove his absolute loyalty to you, send him to go do a job for you that was too dirty, too cruel, and too hard for you to do yourself, not pay him a decent wage or provide for him, and then when he finished the job cut him loose to fend for himself, in spite of how badly he was injured doing that job, would you? Well, that is what we do every day in this country.

Do I sound angry? You bet I do.
[SIZE=5]People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.
[/SIZE]George Orwell
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Old 11-24-2011, 09:07 AM
Location: Southern Oregon
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SCGranny, I do agree with you, however, there is allot more help out there for veterans than there was 30 years ago, it's not perfect and it's not 100% but it's there. I recall being discharged from the military in 1970 and there was nothing for returning veterans from Vietnam. The VA system was terrible at best and VN veterans were looked down on like they had some kind of plague. Yes, we have come along way in care for wounded veterans, both phyiscal and mental wounds, I think we have a ways to go yet, but we're on the right path.
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Old 11-24-2011, 11:44 AM
Location: Los Angeles
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Originally Posted by jasper12 View Post
Why do those who defend our right to free speech, don't realize that came at a cost of military men who fought in the revolutionary war?
I am sure many do but also realize that's not what the military is doing overseas right now either.
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Old 11-24-2011, 12:05 PM
Location: New Mexico U.S.A.
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07-13-2008 Announcement: This forum is not to be used for political arguments. Use Politics and Other Controversies forum instead.
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Old 11-28-2011, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by breeinmo. View Post
I'm confused, 1st you talked like this:
"These items are ulitmately rejected contents and sooner or later it goes home with one of us." ( talking about electronics ) Then you said: " Thanks for the Kindles". But each post after, you make it sound like everything goes to Vets or charity. In my opinion, if things are being donated that cant be sent, NONE of it should go anywhere but charities. The donor should be owed some respect, and I'm sure they didnt donate to anyone getting paid to do a job. Dont you agree?
We are paid to consolidate these items into acceptable packages for individual use, unit use or general use based on a list provided by DOD. Items rejected because DOD said not to ship those items are not covered by the contracts and we incur the cost of disposal or redistribution. Additionally the contracts are generic and are really designed as filler, meaning we do this without any expectation of being compensated for actual cost. If we are shiping over some critical military supplies, we are expected under the care cargo contract to fill unused space with these care shipments at no extra cost to the government. The contracts also does not cover the labor cost in full and the remainder is considered donated time.

For packages addressed specifically to a service member or collected under a sponsored program, they are shipped and paid for just like military cargo, we do not go through them as thats the job of the receiving militray postal service. But these unsolicited general community donation feel good events are where we have to create packages based on guidelines before we can ship them. rememebr, these nonspecific collected items are distributed to militray people worldwide and required vast amounts of time to consolidate based on where they will end up. back when the wars in Iraq and Afganny started, we had loads of people volunterring to do this work. Now, we are lucky of we get 1 person every weekend. regardless of how many civilians help, we still must complete the contract.

Items rejected because they are contraband (drugs, weapons, porn, inapropriate) or because they are simply unsuitable (multi colored hand made sweaters with pictures of santa and a raindeer, bottles of Pierrier water, size XXXXXL Sponge Bob underwear or just because DOd said no way) become the property of the contractor. Oftentimes, electrinics are rejected because they can;'t figure out a fair way to distribute them. Imagine getting a care package with a video camera in it and someone else only gets some fruit rollups, it would present problems. So electrinics are sent as general items to units or commands for their general use or outright rejected.

Rejected items must be disposed of by the contractor. We have choosen to donate the majority to charity (usually veterans groups) but sometimes the items are not appropiate for them so they go to other charities. The company allowes us to keep selected items as thank you gifts for the time we spend doing this work that we are not paid for.

The pointi s that before just donating to some generic "for the troops" collection event, know who's behind it. So much of what is collected at these events never make it because they are just not acceptable. Take the time to donate to a sponsored event where what is being collected is targeted.
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