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Old 11-29-2011, 08:52 PM
 
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I came across my fathers discharge from the airforce in 1961 and I was wondering if anyone could help me. On line 11c under transfer or discharge data it says: SDN 227 Dependency - Hardship AFR 39-13. He had an honorable discharge. There are a few thing I don't understand, he had enlisted for 4 years and was given the discharge after 2 years 11 months and 9 days, but the biggest thing is it lists his marital status as married, but my parents were not married until 1971. Is there a chance this is a mistake or could he have been married before and kept it a total secret? I googled the discharge code, marrige records, and his name and have came up with nothing. any help would be great. Thanks in advance ,dtraum
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Old 11-29-2011, 09:16 PM
 
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What's in block 26?


I doubt it was a mistake. Maybe he was probably married at least once before your mom.
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Old 11-29-2011, 09:23 PM
 
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Block 26 says none, this is the form dd 214 if that means anything
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Old 11-29-2011, 09:31 PM
 
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Weird Box 26 should be the separation code. Maybe the form is different due to it's age.
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Old 11-29-2011, 09:36 PM
 
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I came across my fathers discharge from the airforce in 1961 and I was wondering if anyone could help me. On line 11c under transfer or discharge data it says: SDN 227 Dependency - Hardship AFR 39-13. He had an honorable discharge. There are a few thing I don't understand, he had enlisted for 4 years and was given the discharge after 2 years 11 months and 9 days, but the biggest thing is it lists his marital status as married, but my parents were not married until 1971. Is there a chance this is a mistake or could he have been married before and kept it a total secret? I googled the discharge code, marrige records, and his name and have came up with nothing. any help would be great. Thanks in advance ,dtraum
I think "SDN 227" is actually SPN 227 which were separation codes.

Read the instruction sheet on this PDF document, it may help: http://www.dd214.us/reference/SPN_Codes.pdf

Or here: http://usmilitary.about.com/od/theor.../l/blcode1.htm

Dependency or Hardship could be a variety of things. His parents my have become ill and he had to take care of them, etc...

You could get a lot of guessing. The SPN codes were dropped, no longer used after a certain date.





Rich

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Old 11-30-2011, 07:09 AM
 
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Dependency could also mean he had a parent who was dependent on him
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Old 02-11-2017, 07:46 PM
 
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I joined the usaf in January 1961, I was discharged under AFR 39/16 under honorable conditions on May 29/1962.
I believe I was given a discharge under the wrong regulation. I was married and had one child, I was under a great amount of stress at the time. My wife and my son were starving as I was only 17 years of age and an air man 3rd class, I was nor getting very much money, and my wifes allowance was not enough to pay rent, food, bills ect. I was assigned to the motor pool at Biggs AFB El paso texas. I went and had a talk with my commanding officer about my problem. The men I served with were great, as they pooled together and bought my wife and baby food and baby things that was needed. There effort was heart warming, but was just short lived and did little to fix my stress in trying to take care of my family and service my county.
on May16 1962 I went and asked for help at the dispensary because I was a nervous wreck from the stress I
was having at home with my wife who was threating to leave me because the Air Force and I could not take care of her and the baby. I was so stress out, nervous, afraid I could not eat was loosing weight from going
hungry I went asking for help, but all I got was some nerve pills which did not help. On may 16/1962 at the age of 18 I tried to kill my self by gas from kitchen stove. I was admitted to to end my suffering. My wife did leave me and I was told by the chaplin that he was recommending a discharge so I could go take care of my family. I was sent to see a Lt. Albert White chief retention officer who told me he could get me an honorable discharge under AFR 39/16. I thought that he was giving me an extreme hardship discharge. I only found out what AFR 39/16 was long after I had left the service when I went to buy a house on my GI bill.
I was under the impression for years that I was discharged because of family hardship. In the long run it did not save my family as by that time my wife had decided that we were just two young to take care of each other, so she went to live with her mother and I returned to my folks, we latter were divorced in 1964.
When I was growing up my greatest desire was to join the UNITED STATES AIR FORCE , but lost that dream trying to save a doomed marriage. I tried to rejoin the Air Force after my divorce but I was told by the recruiter that I could not do so because of by discharge under the AFR 39/16 honorable discharge.
I am now 73 years old and would like to get my discharge updated to a hardship as it should have been in the beginning and not unsuitability as I was well suited for the service.
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Old 02-11-2017, 08:41 PM
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I joined the usaf in January 1961, I was discharged under AFR 39/16 under honorable conditions on May 29/1962.
I believe I was given a discharge under the wrong regulation. I was married and had one child, I was under a great amount of stress at the time. My wife and my son were starving as I was only 17 years of age and an air man 3rd class, I was nor getting very much money, and my wifes allowance was not enough to pay rent, food, bills ect. I was assigned to the motor pool at Biggs AFB El paso texas. I went and had a talk with my commanding officer about my problem. The men I served with were great, as they pooled together and bought my wife and baby food and baby things that was needed. There effort was heart warming, but was just short lived and did little to fix my stress in trying to take care of my family and service my county.
on May16 1962 I went and asked for help at the dispensary because I was a nervous wreck from the stress I
was having at home with my wife who was threating to leave me because the Air Force and I could not take care of her and the baby. I was so stress out, nervous, afraid I could not eat was loosing weight from going
hungry I went asking for help, but all I got was some nerve pills which did not help. On may 16/1962 at the age of 18 I tried to kill my self by gas from kitchen stove. I was admitted to to end my suffering. My wife did leave me and I was told by the chaplin that he was recommending a discharge so I could go take care of my family. I was sent to see a Lt. Albert White chief retention officer who told me he could get me an honorable discharge under AFR 39/16. I thought that he was giving me an extreme hardship discharge. I only found out what AFR 39/16 was long after I had left the service when I went to buy a house on my GI bill.
I was under the impression for years that I was discharged because of family hardship. In the long run it did not save my family as by that time my wife had decided that we were just two young to take care of each other, so she went to live with her mother and I returned to my folks, we latter were divorced in 1964.
When I was growing up my greatest desire was to join the UNITED STATES AIR FORCE , but lost that dream trying to save a doomed marriage. I tried to rejoin the Air Force after my divorce but I was told by the recruiter that I could not do so because of by discharge under the AFR 39/16 honorable discharge.
I am now 73 years old and would like to get my discharge updated to a hardship as it should have been in the beginning and not unsuitability as I was well suited for the service.

You were probably on track for a hardship discharge, but when you tried to commit suicide, that made you unsuitable for military service. There is a board that former service members can appeal their discharge to, but rarely do they grant the relief requested. You can certainly make your request, but I don't believe it will be granted. The board will hear your side of the story, but they will also consider the cold, hard facts that were considered in 1962, assuming they survived the 1973 fire.
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Old 02-11-2017, 08:54 PM
 
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I am now 73 years old and would like to get my discharge updated to a hardship as it should have been in the beginning and not unsuitability as I was well suited for the service.
At this stage of the game, the odds are 99.999% that you will not get the Discharge Type or RE Code changed. You stood the greatest chance when you attempted to rejoin.
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