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Old 12-09-2011, 04:26 PM
 
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Old 12-09-2011, 05:16 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Why is this a surprise?

Bodies don't come back from the war looking like dead movie soldiers; intact, with good color and combed hair. Sometimes, they come back in bits and pieces, body bags stuffed with various parts, internal and external. Nor do they always come back complete and at the same time. Mass casualty events leave pieces all over the place and, if a police of the area is done, some of the pieces will not arrive at the aid station with the victim or, they may even go someplace else. There's also parts removed during autopsies and surgeries which don't follow the soldier on to Germany or wherever. More importantly, they don't all have bar codes to identify who they came from.

The point of being so graphic is to explain that things like this will happen and I wonder what people would have the Air Force do in such cases? DNA analyze every shred, every piece of bone, every bit of flesh and track down the rest of the body? Or, maybe just put them in the freezer and hold them for...what...forever?

I think the outrage over this story is based more upon a serious lack of familiarity with war and what it does to the human body than anything else.
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Old 12-09-2011, 05:24 PM
 
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NOW they are buried at sea.

The outrage is the LOCATION (Garbage) I believe...
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Old 12-09-2011, 05:25 PM
 
Location: Texas
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NOW they are buried at sea.

The outrage is the LOCATION (Garbage) I believe...

And, what makes that any better? A nicer sounding name?
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Old 12-09-2011, 05:38 PM
 
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And, what makes that any better? A nicer sounding name?
Burial at sea seems to work for the families...
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Old 12-09-2011, 05:52 PM
 
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Why is this a surprise?
The point of being so graphic is to explain that things like this will happen and I wonder what people would have the Air Force do in such cases? DNA analyze every shred, every piece of bone, every bit of flesh and track down the rest of the body? Or, maybe just put them in the freezer and hold them for...what...forever?
This is close to what has been done with human remains found after 9/11. Here's a good article on the massive forensic effort to identify victims and it's limits: 9/11: Identifying victims 10 years on - Telegraph

I'd expect at least the same level of effort for those who gave their lives in the fight.
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Old 12-11-2011, 05:11 PM
 
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Burial at sea or a mass grave in a military cemetery would fit the bill of a dignified burial, which is what the families thought they were getting. The idea of a landfill is nuts, especially when it wouldn't have been any harder to just do burial at sea. Heck, burial at sea is EASIER.
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Old 12-11-2011, 11:24 PM
 
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Why is this a surprise?
It isnt really....
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Old 12-12-2011, 08:13 AM
 
Location: New Mexico U.S.A.
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This is close to what has been done with human remains found after 9/11. Here's a good article on the massive forensic effort to identify victims and it's limits: 9/11: Identifying victims 10 years on - Telegraph

I'd expect at least the same level of effort for those who gave their lives in the fight.
Fortunately we have not had 2753 people consumed in one giant blast like the September 11 2001 attack. Fortunately we have not had 1122 people unaccounted for from one incident like the September 11 2001 attack.

Identifying the victims in these separate situations are different issues and not really just trying to measure levels of effort, it should all be done properly with respect for the deceased and their families. So far it appears that the American people were let down by portions of our military; "The US Air Force dumped the cremated, partial remains of at least 274 troops in a landfill before halting the secretive practice in 2008, the Washington Post reported".


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Old 12-12-2011, 01:25 PM
 
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I wonder if the tone would have been different if instead of it being a military unit that screwed up it was a civilian contractor. Bet everyone would have been singing a different tune.

eastwestman, yes it is awful but you won't get many agreeing because it would mean saying something negative about military and military people.
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