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Old 01-23-2012, 01:14 PM
 
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That is something parents don't consider when they let the school shrinks convince them their kids need medication.

I saw an article recently talking about the numbers of kids they are giving these medications to and it was unbelievable. Teachers can't handle the kids anymore so they sedate them. Pitiful world.

This is a failure of or educational system. Back when I was in school they handled kids that wouldn't behave without drugs.
Companies make money when kids are on drugs so it makes sense that there are people out there trying to keep it that way.

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I've known of people with depression and other similiar issues that got in by failing to disclose their (past) condition and it ended up putting others in danger when those people got into actual combat and couldn't handle it.
That's exactly why I wouldn't personally want to put weapons in the hands of people with mental disorders that could lead to serious problems including homicide and suicide.
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Old 01-23-2012, 01:51 PM
 
Location: Texas
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That's exactly why I wouldn't personally want to put weapons in the hands of people with mental disorders that could lead to serious problems including homicide and suicide.

LOL Does that include folks on their 2nd or 3rd or 4th tours in the sand box? Nobody comes back from a combat deployment entirely normal, you know.
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Old 01-23-2012, 02:14 PM
 
Location: Yucaipa, California
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If the draft was ever reinstated that 75% would drop to maybe 40%. In boot camp they can be built up to be fit & alert (not all but most). As far as the govt cares we are all expendable.
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Old 01-23-2012, 02:25 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MO
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"We are deeply concerned by alarming data from the Department of Defense indicating that 75 percent of all young Americans between the ages of 17 and 24 are unable to join the military because they are physically unfit, lack proper education, or have criminal records. A shrinking pool of eligible recruits is a threat to our national security, and we are troubled by the impact that this will have on our future military preparedness." Retired Generals and Admirals Tell Congress: Just Say No To Pizza as a Vegetable in School Lunches Mission: Readiness

Interesting information....
I continually see reasons why it hasn't been good that our society has left the working-class behind over the past 30-40 years. Here is yet another reason. I tend to think lack of economic prosperity is the root of most of the problems.
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Old 01-23-2012, 02:41 PM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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Companies make money when kids are on drugs so it makes sense that there are people out there trying to keep it that way.



That's exactly why I wouldn't personally want to put weapons in the hands of people with mental disorders that could lead to serious problems including homicide and suicide.
Once they are off meds and into a structured environment most will contract normalcy
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Old 01-23-2012, 03:16 PM
 
Location: Kansas
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Dad always told me that when he went into bootcamp in 1959 everybody looked different...but when they came out they all looked the same. He was a skinny guy like me and he put on 30 lbs. Guys that were overweight got pared down.

Maybe the military should losen the requirement on some of the chubby kids to get them in the door. If they can't make it through boot camp the first time just let them do it all over again until they whip them into shape. Would probably work good for attitude adjustments too. For the guys with criminal records they could go through a special extended period boot camp.

Really though....all I read about lately is how the ranks are getting trimmed and how requirements to get in are getting tougher. Read somewhere that they are looking for any reason possible to early discharge guys to get the numbers down.

So all this talk about how the % of qualified kids is getting smaller....well....isn't that what they want right now?
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Old 01-23-2012, 05:18 PM
 
Location: Fort Walton Beach
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But if we needed to mobilize 2 million men we can't with a military the size we have now.
I disagree, with the military reserves and the national guard, in a time of crisis, the president can issue a presidential decree mobilizing these forces to active duty and you have your 2 million man army, but with technology being as it is, and the quality of people being recruited into the armed forces, you don't need a massive military like we used to a half century ago. you can do a lot more with a lot less with airpower, seapower, and surgical precision of land forces and special ops forces. And the quality of kids today might seem lazy or for a lack of better words "dumb" however, they are technically savvy which makes them a formidable force for the working man's military of generations ago. Just my opinion though.
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Old 01-23-2012, 05:34 PM
 
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I've never been in the service, but isn't it a good thing, in a way, it is hard to get in? Do you really want it to be something just anybody can sign up for and be accepted?
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Old 01-23-2012, 05:35 PM
 
Location: New Mexico U.S.A.
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Maybe the military should losen the requirement on some of the chubby kids to get them in the door. If they can't make it through boot camp the first time just let them do it all over again until they whip them into shape. Would probably work good for attitude adjustments too. For the guys with criminal records they could go through a special extended period boot camp.
Why? Why waste the taxpayers money? If you are fat, (and I have been), why should the military waste the time and money? If you have a bad attitude why poison the good troops with your attitude. The military is not a health spa and we currently have some well educated, healthy people with a positive attitude who want to come in...

If they need more people, then loosen the requirements...



Rich
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Old 01-23-2012, 09:58 PM
 
Location: Texas
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I disagree, with the military reserves and the national guard, in a time of crisis, the president can issue a presidential decree mobilizing these forces to active duty and you have your 2 million man army, but with technology being as it is, and the quality of people being recruited into the armed forces, you don't need a massive military like we used to a half century ago. you can do a lot more with a lot less with airpower, seapower, and surgical precision of land forces and special ops forces. And the quality of kids today might seem lazy or for a lack of better words "dumb" however, they are technically savvy which makes them a formidable force for the working man's military of generations ago. Just my opinion though.
Techology as a force multiplier. The days of the big army are over. "Surgical precision." We've been hearing that song and dance for years now.

So...how did that work out in Iraq or Afghanistan?
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