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Old 05-05-2012, 01:19 AM
 
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My guess would be between the British SAS and US Army Special Forces/DELTA or SEALs. elcoyote90 is right the Israelis are overrated. They fight the same enemies in the same place everytime. Not expeditionary or versitile.

 
Old 05-05-2012, 07:26 AM
 
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My turn then..

Special Forces. (those that appear for a day or so then bugger off)

SAS, SBS, Rangers, SEALS.

I noticed Slartibarfast mentioned Jaegerkorpset and GROM. Both very good and Jaegerkorpset especially gets mentioned rarely but is spoken off with very high regard by members of other 'specialist' units i've spoken to over the years.

Georgian Special Forces Brigade that i worked with in Iraq where very good (had more than a few ex-Spetsnaz amongst them) and i've trained with MARCO from India and they are extremely good.
 
Old 05-05-2012, 08:34 PM
 
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I've seen SEALs, Rangers and a few Green Berets in Afghanistan but only glimpses of their exploits really lol In Iraq we had SF attatched with us on our FOB. They did what they wanted, they wore what they wanted and rolled out in blacked out SUVs lol I was crammed into the back of a f*cking Bradley IFV which blew!
 
Old 05-07-2012, 07:28 PM
 
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Rangers ARE NOT sf!!!!! They are not even in this conversation!!!
 
Old 05-12-2012, 11:16 AM
 
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Rangers are unique in that they're ADCON to Infantry branch and OPCON to Special ops.
 
Old 05-13-2012, 08:54 AM
 
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Rangers are unique in that they're ADCON to Infantry branch and OPCON to Special ops.
I'm going to have to admit i don't know what ADCON & OPCON mean. Could someone pease enlighten me, Googles not been any help.

Thanks.
 
Old 05-13-2012, 09:18 AM
 
Location: New Mexico U.S.A.
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I'm going to have to admit i don't know what ADCON & OPCON mean. Could someone pease enlighten me, Googles not been any help.

Thanks.
For the U.S. Army, briefly:
OPCON - Operational Control.

ADCON - Administrative Control.
It actually gets complicated and there are some legal issues involved at times. I retired in 1990 and pretty much have not had contact since 1999 (I contracted with various U.S. Military). But there are some units or personnel who have been OPCON, under operational control, to Special Forces units.


Rich
 
Old 05-13-2012, 09:46 AM
 
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For the U.S. Army, briefly:
OPCON - Operational Control.

ADCON - Administrative Control.
It actually gets complicated and there are some legal issues involved at times. I retired in 1990 and pretty much have not had contact since 1999 (I contracted with various U.S. Military). But there are some units or personnel who have been OPCON, under operational control, to Special Forces units.

Rich
Aaaaaah.

I think that's like 1st Battalion The Parachute Regiment and 'F' Company Royal Marines being on attachment to Special Forces Support Group? I'm on my 2nd rotation to 1st Batt' now (about 75% of Paras will rotate at some point dependant on specialisation). Here's a diagram that may help you to decide if i have the right idea or not.

File:Special Forces (UK).png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A link explaining what SFSG is.

Special Forces Support Group - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Old 05-13-2012, 10:22 AM
 
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This may be a bit off topic, but it seems that a lot of nation-states have more than one elite force overlapping in the same theater of operations. Like MARSOC and SEALS. They both go from sea to land and back. Or Delta, and Green Berets. Why is that? Do they really need that many? And then you have the CIA SAD. How is their job any different? Now, I am not military expert, so please take it easy on me.
 
Old 05-13-2012, 10:49 PM
 
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Aaaaaah.
I think that's like 1st Battalion The Parachute Regiment and 'F' Company Royal Marines being on attachment to Special Forces Support Group?
Yes, sort of, we use to have attached and "detached" personnel.

Rangers is not a specific job title. U.S. Army Rangers go through an intense two month combat leadership course which oriented towards small unit tactics. That in itself does not make them Special Forces (SF). We have (or have had) a lot of Rangers who are not in Ranger units their entire career. But you will find a large number of SF personnel who are Ranger trained, or "Airborne" (Jump Qualified) trained.


Rich
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