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Old 06-04-2012, 05:31 PM
 
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Stupid notion.

An aircraft carrier is far more than an empty symbol. It is an excellent way to project power to just about any portion of the globe.

To be sure, if one gets into a shooting war with the Chinese or the Russians, then the existence of carriers is problematic. But if one is conducting operations against just about any other opponent on the planet, it's a very potent weapon.
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Old 06-04-2012, 08:56 PM
 
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Carriers are power projection at their strongest point. The U.S. can deploy the 3rd largest air force in the world to any point in the world within weeks.

Remember carriers are the big stick in the U.S. policeman has in his hand...
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Old 06-07-2012, 09:43 AM
 
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I'm sorry but, I still can't help but worry about the safety of the 5,000 plus crew members. I know there are perimeters, there are anti-aircraft and other defensive measures but a carrier is a big target (think WTC). I would have thought that Pearl Harbor demonstrated that. With the advance of portable lethal weapons (air to ground, drones, missiles) is it reasonable to presume an aircraft carrier can protect itself and its crew from all attacks?
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Old 06-07-2012, 01:07 PM
 
Location: New Mexico U.S.A.
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but a carrier is a big target (think WTC).
An aircraft carrier is a massive movable military weapon being manned by trained military personnel to deliver massive destructive powers.

WTC was a massive fixed office building being manned various civilians going about their civilian jobs with no capability to defend themselfs to the threat.

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I would have thought that Pearl Harbor demonstrated that.
"Pearl Harbor"? A foreign power launched an attack on the United States and basically chose U.S. Warships that were not battle ready. That attack was suppose to cause the U.S. Military to crumble.

Did we learn from that attack? (I don't know)

Did we learn from the first WTC attack? Apparently not, it was attacked a second time.

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With the advance of portable lethal weapons (air to ground, drones, missiles) is it reasonable to presume an aircraft carrier can protect itself and its crew from all attacks?
Our military members are prepared to die protecting our country. Nothing can completely protect from all attacks...


Rich
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Old 06-07-2012, 01:50 PM
 
Location: FLG/PHX/MKE
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It's an old question (but i'll raise it anyway).

So, are Aircraft Carriers purely a mobile aquatic airfield or are they more a demonstration of political intent/capability and/or an extension of a countrys foreign policy?
Yes.
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Old 06-07-2012, 11:47 PM
 
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
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Air craft carriers also serve as floating hospitals with operating rooms and a medical ward. Their hangerbays and cargo bays are used when responding to natural disasters to provide evacuees with shelter, bedding, food, clean drinking water, and medical aid. The carriers provide a large platform for helicopter rescue operations.
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Old 06-08-2012, 04:46 PM
 
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I'm sorry but, I still can't help but worry about the safety of the 5,000 plus crew members. I know there are perimeters, there are anti-aircraft and other defensive measures but a carrier is a big target (think WTC). I would have thought that Pearl Harbor demonstrated that. With the advance of portable lethal weapons (air to ground, drones, missiles) is it reasonable to presume an aircraft carrier can protect itself and its crew from all attacks?

U.S. carriers are protected first by spy satellites and underwater detection platforms which let them know what is out there... Google white cloud, lacrosse, and keyhole spy satellites... The U.S. knows where 99% of all surface ships bigger than 10 meters are in the world at all times.

Space Today Online - The Satellite Wars - Iraq, Afghanistan and Yugoslavia

The biggest threat to a carrier today is a sub... Flat there are subs and targets... Almost all foreign subs are tracked from the time they leave port by a LA class or Virginia class sub plus by other assets such as p-3's...All carrier groups when on deployment have a sub screen with them.
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Old 06-08-2012, 05:25 PM
 
Location: North Beach, MD on the Chesapeake
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Time for these:

US Aircraft Carrier Fleet Evolution - The Greatest Navy "City of Steel" Fleet - YouTube

USS George H W Bush (CVN 77 ) Visit: Video & Slideshow - YouTube
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Old 06-09-2012, 01:48 PM
 
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I'm sorry but, I still can't help but worry about the safety of the 5,000 plus crew members. I know there are perimeters, there are anti-aircraft and other defensive measures but a carrier is a big target (think WTC). I would have thought that Pearl Harbor demonstrated that. With the advance of portable lethal weapons (air to ground, drones, missiles) is it reasonable to presume an aircraft carrier can protect itself and its crew from all attacks?
Have to keep in mind that some of the big targets are left as big targets.

Like say, Pearl Harbor.

Or the "Pearl Harbor event" that "Project for a New American Century" hoped for -- which turned out to be the WTC and Pentagram.

While accidents happen, some are not accidents.

Wars all seem to need justifications -- even if the justifications are lies.

So the wonder of an Aircraft Carrier being hit, is that it instantly justifies a nice big war. Accident or not.
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Old 06-09-2012, 04:36 PM
 
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I'm sorry but, I still can't help but worry about the safety of the 5,000 plus crew members. I know there are perimeters, there are anti-aircraft and other defensive measures but a carrier is a big target (think WTC). I would have thought that Pearl Harbor demonstrated that. With the advance of portable lethal weapons (air to ground, drones, missiles) is it reasonable to presume an aircraft carrier can protect itself and its crew from all attacks?

A carrier isn't out at sea alone, it's surrounded by other ships, whose sole purpose is to protect that carrier.

Portable lethal weapons aren't really a threat to a carrier, as there is very little probability that anyone could get close enough to use one. A boat based attack, along the lines of the attack on the USS Cole wouldn't get past the screening vessels to hit the carrier, and likely wouldn't do crippling damage if it did.
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