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Old 06-11-2012, 09:19 AM
 
Location: Orange County, CA
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The fast moving Carrier Task Group is an integral part of our military establishment and will be far into the future. Besides the enormous military threat, it also projects diplomatic and psychological influence. A carrier, along with it's escorts, can either attack or defend itself, from targets in the air, land, surface, or sub surface. It can carry out military tasks from as large as nuclear strikes on enemy targets far away, to as small as putting teams ashore for hostage rescue or covert reconnaissance missions. Our carriers can steam to any place on the planet, and when they do, both our friends and foes are aware of it and react accordingly. During the Cold War the Soviets and Chinese always complained and protested when our carrier groups came close to their shores. Today, the ChiComs still do, along with the Iranians and North Koreans. It must be very unnerving to a hostile nation for a US carrier and several escorts to show up close to it's shores, and it is for just this reason that our carriers are vital to our interests, and will be for the forseeable future.
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Old 06-11-2012, 09:28 AM
 
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In a word...yep. There is no substitute for a carrier and sea power is still the basic military necessity.

All wars must be supplied and those supplies still come mostly over the oceans. No military force on earth has the capability to sustain itself totally by air, so keeping sea lanes open is a fundamental of war making.
Absolutely I think we need more! Look at how many countries do not want us flying over there restricted air space? Instead of hundreds of overseas bases we could just keep a few strategically placed aircraft carriers. Now, we also need the new F-35 or other aircraft capable of landing on a carrier.
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Old 06-12-2012, 12:42 AM
 
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
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In the 1990s I was the M-Division DCPO (damage control petty officer). Though I was a lousy machinist mate, I took my DCPO job very seriously. If I failed to do my job correctly I might not get out of the engine room alive! We cleaned and inspected all the division's fire hoses and nozzles. We ensured all glow in the dark bullseyes (compartment labeling) were in place and correct. We chalk tested all our water tight doors, hatches, and scuttles. We tested and repaired all our emergency lighting. And we inspected and repaired all our fire extinguishers. In a combat situation, all doors hatches and scuttles are shut tight to help keep the ship afloat if hit by a mine, missile, or torpedo. Though I was a lousy machinist mate, I was given commendations for my DCPO work not receiving any hits on OPPE or GITMO inspections. But more important than the commendation is the fact that every time my fire safety equipment was needed it always worked properly. Doesn't seem like much unless you realize how horrible the equipment was before I started. Emergency light batteries so degraded that it crumbled when removed from the lantern, a boiler flats (the part where the boiler fires were lit with fuel soaked torches) had been activated (CO2 cartridge punctured) but tamper seal put back on rendering the extinguisher totally useless, fire hoses with holes in them, fire fighting nozzles so degraded from neglect you could not pull the handle, a Y strainer clogged with debris restricting water flow to the hose, and water tight fittings with worn hinges and gasket material in such horrible shape it all needed to be replaced (I could feel a breeze through some even with them shut tight). My second ship was worse than my first so I demanded they make me the DCPO. That was the USS LaSalle AGF-3 which was in the ship yards in 1994 after spending a long time in Bahrain as a two year tour of duty ship. It was being renovated to be the 6th fleet flag ship. Took nearly 6 months to get that place straightened out. I just wish all Navy DCPOs took their job so seriously.

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A 320 kg warhead will not kill a carrier, watch this video starring John Mccain...


USS Forrestal Mishap July 29, 1967 - YouTube

Anywhere from 2 to 9 1000lb bombs cooked off during the fire. With jet fuel burning for almost 2 days.

The Navy learned from this and since then firefighting has improved dramatically, There is a job in the Navy now damage control which specializes in firefighting and making sure everybody on the ship is trained in damage control and firefighting. Also all the Nimitz class ships have more robust equipment and armament than previous ships. The newer ones have layer kevlar and double halls to limit damages.

Here is a good article on what it takes...

http://www.lexingtoninstitute.org/li...nerability.pdf
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Old 06-12-2012, 12:50 AM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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In a word...yep. There is no substitute for a carrier and sea power is still the basic military necessity.

All wars must be supplied and those supplies still come mostly over the oceans. No military force on earth has the capability to sustain itself totally by air, so keeping sea lanes open is a fundamental of war making.


very true, but I wish the USA would have kept a BB in service. nothing say power like a BB anchored 5 miles off your shore.
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Old 06-12-2012, 11:10 AM
 
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Dave,

My former chief was on the Lasalle...
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