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Old 06-17-2012, 09:47 PM
 
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Hello, I'm carolina and I am set on joining the Air Force. I would like to invest many years, and a career into the Air Force.
As of right now I plan on joining after I finish high school in about two years.
When I graduate I will have my high school diploma and an associates degree.
I have many questions. I know I will go to BMT, and the to tech school pertaining to my selected job.
After I finish tech school is it possible for me to go to the community college or a college on base and get a bachelors degree? Not just an associates degree.
I'd like to explore the Air Force and see if I am content with my career I choose when I enlist,
but if I change my mind, would it be possible for me to go to med school on base, or at least still be working on base and the do a residency program through the Air Force?
Or would I have to leave to go to med school and come back?

Basically, I want to invest into the Air Force, is there ways for me to start off as enlisted and basically work my way up to being a surgeon?

^^^ I told that to some dude on the Air Force Live Chat, he was actually one of the helpful ones unlike a couple of other people I had talked to. After talking to him, this is what I have concluded.

He said I could go to BMT then go to tech school for my desired occupation. During my four year contract, I'd do my job and work on finishing my degree, to get it from an associates to bachleors, and then leave the Air Force to attend med school and after four years I would be able to come back to the air force for my residency. And so on.

Also, is it possible to get a bachleors from the community college, like would all my credits transfer?

Thanks for the input I just want to be sure I can do this!
& Any advice would be helpful!
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Old 06-18-2012, 05:45 AM
 
Location: Northern Virginia
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I can't speak for things that are specific to the Air Force but some things are the same, regardless of service. I'm in the Army but I have been stationed at Shaw AFB for the last 2 years (so consider it being equivalent to ".....but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night").

1- You can attend college at your duty station. You'll typically find an education center on a military installation (exceptions are when it is a small installation). At the ed center, there are normally several universities and community colleges. Additionally, you can continue taking classes via online. Now will a community college confer a bachelor's degree? I'm not sure-- while I am not 100% certain, I believe CCs only award associate degrees.

2- College credits can transfer between institutions. However, what will or will not transfer is dependent upon the university. You could give the same transcripts to two different schools and see two different results on what they will and will not accept.

3- Regardless of service, you can begin as an enlisted Soldier, Sailor, Marine, or Airman and become an officer-- I'm living proof of that. All of the services provide fantastic opportunities (beyond just becoming an officer), it's simply a matter of taking advantage of them.


I'm curious though-- why do you want to enlist for 4 years to leave for medical school to then go back? If you'll graduate with an Associate's degree, I assume you've accumulated the credits needed through AP classes. If so, your grades must be fairly high. Therefore, you might want to consider applying to the USAF academy or an AFROTC scholarship. In both cases, you could very well continue on to medical school and have it paid for by the USAF.

My advice would be to determine, "What's the end state?". Then research the multiple paths to reach that end state and select the one that provides the best chance of successful completion.
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Old 06-18-2012, 06:56 AM
 
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Good, solid advice from ArtyGuy. Generally speaking there are educational opportunities at Military bases. Of course, more and more colleges are offering on-line classes which lead to degrees. I am not sure pre-med is one but, I wouldn't be surprised. Additionally the services do offer scholarship opportunities while you are in college. They pay stipends and bonuses to help you with your college expenses with the promise to serve (as an officer) upon graduation. I believe those may extend into medical school. Check out the USU School of Medicine! If feasible, stay in school, show you have what it takes, talk to a medical recruiting officer. The only caveat would be if you enlist you will be working and a student. Sometimes schedules can make it difficult to attend class (even can be a problem on-line) - the military is a 24/7 job. While there is a SIGNIFICANT difference between being an Officer versus an Enlisted, a four year tour might help you decide if the military is a career you want while giving you more valuable training opportunities. Last word, be aware that with the continuing employment, mandated manpower decreases and debt situation; qualification and opportunities may make entry difficult. Good luck!
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Old 06-18-2012, 08:14 AM
 
Location: Heart of Dixie
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If the recruiters promise you a speciality field, get it in writing. You will get there thinking you're going to be doing one thing, and if that field is full, you WILL be placed whereever there is an opening.

This happened to my friend. Recruiter promised him this and that...and none of it came to pass. Just be careful, recruiters are just guys trying to earn a commission and move on up...Good luck and thank you for your service.
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Old 06-18-2012, 09:13 AM
 
Location: On The Road Full Time RVing
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Don't believe everything ( any part ) that the military tells you ! ! !

When you sign up you could be put right in the middle of a war zone,
and end up fighting for your life, become disabled for the rest of your life,
or come home in a body bag, or be captured and raped, and put in a prison camp forever,
or just blown all to peaces by a bomb, or your body might never be found by anyone.

That is real military life ! ! !
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Old 06-18-2012, 09:46 AM
 
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Here would be my advice to you as you want to make Big Blue a career....

There are many different medical jobs in the Air Force a great deal of these are done by enlisted personal. Here are some of the different medical jobs. The reason I would choose these jobs are the length and scope of training pertaining to life science and human anatomy this will give you a leg up when you take Biology, anatomy in college. An optometrist assistant or dental labs doesn't help you as much. Whereas the Histology field is a great stepping stone. Also if you complain about a 200 day tech school about 1 year of school, then stop at this point because if you want to be a doctor then you are in school forever and the rest of your life. Another thing about these jobs is they are usually at large bases which have a major university close by. A great one for you would be Wright Pat Air Force base, which has Wright State University within 10 minutes of it's doors.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wright_State

MEDICAL CAREER FIELD

Cardiopulmonary Lab...

4H0X1 - CARDIOPULMONARY LABORATORY

Aerospace medical service...

4N0X1 - AEROSPACE MEDICAL SERVICE

Histopathology..
HISTOPATHOLOGY - airforce.com
4T0X2 - HISTOPATHOLOGY

Medcial laboratory..
MEDICAL LABORATORY SPECIALIST - airforce.com
4T0X1 - MEDICAL LABORATORY

After Tech school you will go to your first assignment. During this time in order to become a doctor you will need to complete a bachelors degree in a Life Science or complete the pre-reqs to medical school which are Biology, Chemistry, Organic Chem. and usually another 12 to 24 hours of upper biology courses. The community college of the Air Force will help you out in a lot of ways though. Here is a link to the Medical Laboratory career field...

MEDICAL LABORATORY TECHNOLOGY (7GAF)

Some of the credits will transfer to a 4 year degree program, some will not but having the CCAF degree is a stepping stone and really helps toward general education requirements.

Do not even think of going to a online degree program to complete the degree. Most medical schools will not Community college credits in the required pre-reqs and they will laugh at your application with a University of Phoenix transcript attached to it. Getting into med. school is very competitive therefore they can afford to be picky on who they choose.

After completing your 4 year life science degree and you should be able to do this at night during your initial enlistment, you can apply to the medical doctor program. Here is a link to the program...

Contact Us: Frequently Asked Questions - airforce.com
Air Force Medical Scholarships (100% tuition, plus $1,900 per month)

Good news the Air Force will pay 100% tuition, and a $1900 per month stipend. Now here is the ultimate good news you should be able to double down with your post 9-11 Gi Bill benefits and receive your stipend which is E-5 housing allowance money plus some tuition help on books, etc.

After completing medical school you will go to OCS training and then to usually a 9 month training program you more than likely will not get a "high pay residency during your first enlistment", my knowledge ends here though, my friend did the program in the Navy and this is what happened to him note he was not in the Air Force. More than likely is you will be basically sick call doctor/super medic during your first 4 years, after your contract is up then they will more than likely offer a residency in internal medicine or radiology as a reenlistment bonus which is another 6 year commit 3 years of residency 3 years of practice.

At the reenlistment point you will have 10 years active duty and have to decide about a career..

Good luck and hit us back with any questions...

Last edited by bellhead; 06-18-2012 at 10:05 AM..
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Old 06-18-2012, 11:34 AM
 
Location: New Mexico U.S.A.
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After I finish tech school is it possible for me to go to the community college or a college on base and get a bachelors degree? Not just an associates degree.
There are a lot of educational benefits while on active duty in the U.S. Military. The answer to your question depends on a lot of factors. I got a bachelors degree while on active duty in the Army.


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Basically, I want to invest into the Air Force, is there ways for me to start off as enlisted and basically work my way up to being a surgeon?
Very unlikely. All surgeons and Medical Doctors are Commissioned Officers. If that is your real goal then go for it. None of the enlisted medical jobs lead directly to medical school or a medical degree. To become a doctor, you must first complete an undergraduate college degree in pre-medicine. After that you can apply for the Health Profession Scholarship Program (HPSP). The HPSP will pay for your medical school and has a internship program. There are many financial assistance programs available to help pay your education, including Air Force ROTC and the Air Force Academy. You need to visit this site: Benefits: Commissioned Officer Education - airforce.com


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Also, is it possible to get a bachleors from the community college, like would all my credits transfer?
I have never seen a community college that offers bachelors degrees. Some colleges will accept all your community college. You really need to plan ahead on that. Like I said, there are a lot of educational benefits while on active duty in the military.
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Old 06-18-2012, 12:06 PM
 
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The HSPS can be used in conjunction with the post 9/11 GI bill I found out researching it...So it's a great deal. Basically you the HSPS will pay 100% tution plus $1900. Post 9/11 GI Bill pays the undergrad tuition rate of a full time student in your state for example Wright State which I used earlier as an ex. is $8,354.00 a year plus E-5 housing for another $11,513 a year. So you can draw on this while in medical school..

$30,178 Ohio resident Tuition to Med. School per year...
$11,513 Bah
$22,800 Stipend
$8,354 GI Bill Benefits

OH and this is non-taxable, so you will have roughly 3600 a month to live on.

$72,845 per year of Benefits you will have earned...or over 4 years 291k....Not a bad set of benefits for your service.

New G.I. Bill and HSCP [Archive] - Student Doctor Network Forums
If you read the thread several people are drawing both and comment on it.
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Old 06-18-2012, 12:49 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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Have you tried googling "USUHS?" That is a medical school military members can attend for free, while earning pay.
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