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Old 07-12-2012, 01:22 PM
 
Location: The 12th State
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Urinals are omitted from the Gerald R. Ford class of carriers, due to hit the fleet in 2015, as both a cost-saving measure and an attempt to make bathrooms more gender-neutral.

Urinal-free ships allow the Navy to easily switch a bathroom's designation between male and female, helping the ship adapt to changing crews. In addition, urinals clog more than toilets and can cost more to maintain.

read more New Class of Navy Carriers Will Forego Urinals | Advocate.com
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Old 07-12-2012, 01:40 PM
 
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No big deal, submarines never had them.
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Old 07-12-2012, 03:24 PM
 
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
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Urinals clog more than toilets? Since when? Only time I saw any part of the sewage system clogged was when women were first put on board the USS LaSalle AGF-3 in 1994. Their "products" we're being flushed and clogged the line. Thankfully the captain had the balls to order all women back to the female berthing compartment. He had them fix their own mistake, under the guidence of the HTs, and they were to clean the head and berthing compartment for his personal inspection. None of them were going on liberty until it passed his inspection. When it finally passed, think it was close to 8pm, he told them if they clog it up again then they'll be fixing and cleaning it up again. Two years later they did not clog up the system.
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Old 07-12-2012, 05:56 PM
 
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Like everything else, you will have people griping about it, but eventually, folks will adapt. They always do. People hate change.
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Old 07-13-2012, 08:40 AM
 
Location: Matthews, NC
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Great, one of the last bastions where a man can speak freely without worrying about offending some broad is going away.

Also, since when do urinals clog? I agree with sailordave, that rarely happens. In all the years I worked retail and the military I cleaned a lot of toilets and urinals. I can't recall a single time when the urinal clogged. The women's toilet was always dirty than the male's and they clogged more often. Some people seem to have trouble understanding the concept that you can't put absorbent material into a waterpipe and not expect a blockage.

I can understand this policy on a sub, since there is so little room to begin with.
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Old 07-13-2012, 10:26 AM
 
Location: New Mexico U.S.A.
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Also, since when do urinals clog?
Check with some real plumbers.

Search google.com or your favorite search engine for the phrase clogged urinals

You should find that urinals clog at a higher rate than toilets...
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Old 07-13-2012, 10:35 AM
 
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
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Check with some real plumbers.

Search google.com or your favorite search engine for the phrase clogged urinals

You should find that urinals clog at a higher rate than toilets...
Our hospital's on staff plumber has been working at our 11 floor hospital for close to 20 years disagrees with you. The only time he's had clogged urinals was when they switched to one with a large opening instead of the one with small holes. Some people would stuff it with paper towels to intentionally clog the urinal. At our hospital, most of the clogs are toilets and the vast majority of the time are clogged up by women who have no clue what doesn't belong in the toilet. I think plumbers remember the clogged urinals because they're harder to unclog. We've occasionally had our main line clogged because someone flushed the chucks (the blue absorbent pad that goes on the bed incase the patient has an accident). Some patients or families get embarrassed and flush this thing. In one case, they flushed two and clogged it so bad that the plumbers broke two bits and had to switch to a cutting bit before they could pull it out. They spent nearly 12 hours trying to unclog the main line.
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Old 07-13-2012, 10:59 AM
 
Location: Matthews, NC
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Check with some real plumbers.

Search google.com or your favorite search engine for the phrase clogged urinals

You should find that urinals clog at a higher rate than toilets...
No thanks, I'd rather not Google clogged urinals. Rule 41 dictates that I will see something that can't be unseen.

I only have anecdotal evidence to support my opinion, but my experience has been that the toilet clogs more than the urinal. As a matter of fact, the only time I can think of a problem with the urinal is ignoramuses putting cigarette butts in there.
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Old 07-13-2012, 05:12 PM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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I am an ET, not a MM. I have never unclogged any plumbing on a sub. Though I have known a few MMs who have 'dived' into sanitary tanks to unclog them. Mostly as I recall it was the 'chunky-pumps' that clog.

Somewhere in my travels, I have heard the story/myth that urinal mints melt in the presence of warm body fluids, and once the chemical is in the piping the chemical will re-solidify forming a plague in the piping. Which was why mints are only used in the Navy during inspections, and not on a daily basis.



As to the OP.

You have a bulkhead. On this bulkhead you can install six toilets [contracted to the 'Crapper' manufacturing corporation so they always have 'Crapper' embossed in the enamel] and six pissers; or you can install twelve toilets. Either way 6 and 6 or 12 it takes up the same amount of room on a bulkhead. So my question is, how does money get 'saved' to put in 12 toilets?

I can see that you slashed the pisser budget by no longer installing them; but this means that you have now increased the toilet budget by installing the additional toilets.
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Old 07-13-2012, 07:31 PM
 
Location: Richmond, VA
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So my question is, how does money get 'saved' to put in 12 toilets?

I can see that you slashed the pisser budget by no longer installing them; but this means that you have now increased the toilet budget by installing the additional toilets.
If they do cost more to maintain, money is saved in maintenance. The savings doesn't have to be right away to still be counted as savings; it's the total cost of a system over its life. BRAC operates entirely on that principle (it costs to close now, but over time we will get more benefits).

Note before you flame me: I didn't say I believe this. I just see the logic if they do cost less to maintain.
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