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Old 09-26-2012, 11:03 AM
 
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I'll do my best to be as detailed and brief as I can.

I graduated college with a generic business degree.

But, my real passion is criminal investigations, specifically homicide/serial murders.

As I've networked over the last year, meeting some retired military and law enforcement fellas, as well as a couple of FBI special agents, I've heard repeatedly that when building any career you can't go wrong joining the military... for the most part.

In my mind, I'm not terribly picky about whether I'm working for the FBI BAU (which would be absolutely awesome), or just starting a career as a local detective.

The problem is I don't know exactly where to start or really if there's a "wrong" choice.

Basically, I'm considering the USMC, Navy, or Air Force Officer programs, or applying to police departments in larger cities (assuming a larger city would have a better chance of promotion because it's doubtful I would just be hired as a detective right off the bat).

I've spoken with recruiters and none of them really have any idea what they're talking about when I ask them questions related to "how can a commission in the military help me work toward a career as an investigator," which is probably due to their quotas and dissimilar personal interests, and that's fine, but I need some straight answers from people with experience, and I've read a number of threads on this site and it seems like there are some of those people around here.

I'm not including a poll because I'm interested in reasons more-so than just "do the navy" or whatever.

It's also worth noting that I hope to pursue a master's degree in criminal or forensic psychology, so a route that would support that well is also relevant.

Thanks in advance for responses; I live in a pretty small town, and even the people I have networked with so far tend to be the "just get a career with decent pay to settle down" types, and that's not what I'm looking for.
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Old 09-26-2012, 01:46 PM
 
Location: New Mexico U.S.A.
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But, my real passion is criminal investigations, specifically homicide/serial murders.

As I've networked over the last year, meeting some retired military and law enforcement fellas, as well as a couple of FBI special agents, I've heard repeatedly that when building any career you can't go wrong joining the military... for the most part.

In my mind, I'm not terribly picky about whether I'm working for the FBI BAU (which would be absolutely awesome), or just starting a career as a local detective.

Basically, I'm considering the USMC, Navy, or Air Force Officer programs, or applying to police departments in larger cities (assuming a larger city would have a better chance of promotion because it's doubtful I would just be hired as a detective right off the bat).

Thanks in advance for responses; I live in a pretty small town, and even the people I have networked with so far tend to be the "just get a career with decent pay to settle down" types, and that's not what I'm looking for.
I see you did not mention the Army...


Read these over:

Join CID

902d Military Intelligence Group, Fort Knox KY -

United States Army Counterintelligence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 09-26-2012, 04:57 PM
 
Location: Ashburn, VA
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A general business degree will make several of those choices difficult. Navy and Air Force are pretty picky about the educational backgrounds of officers - any given BA with any given GPA will not cut it.
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Old 09-26-2012, 09:11 PM
 
Location: KKKalfornia
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the first thing you really need to decide is whether youre really ready to serve your country, and have plan "b" ready in case the

lotsa ppl join with big plans and when things go wrong or you have a change of heart, theres no turning back. and when that goes bad it goes REALLY bad.

All that said, if youre still keen on it you should consider the u.s. coast guard there are great oppurtunities to get your foot in the door of the law enforcement profession. A big hurdle for entrance into the USCG for many is the high ASVAB score that is required, but if you have a 4 year degree that should not be a problem

i was a mere BM3/E-4 when i got out and i was getting recruited by police dept's across the country.

P.D. work wasnt for me at all so i went another path.

You dont HAVE to go to sea for 4 years like i did, you can have your feet on the beach every night if you play your cards right.
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Old 09-27-2012, 08:26 AM
 
Location: San Antonio
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OP- I can't speak for all the branches, but for the Air Force, we only have 1 or 2 officer recruiters in each state. I can be pretty sure you have only spoken to enlisted recruiters. Enlisted recruiters can't promise jobs, and HATE working with people who want specific jobs. Sometimes they will even try to talk you out of joining if you want a specific job, because it's impossible, and usually means you will back out when you get a job you don't want (Which will happen).

In the Air Force, we have the Office of Special Investigations. They are trained at FLETC and Quantico, and are considered federal law enforcement. They do murder, drug felonies, rape, child porn, and terrorism investigations, as well as computer crimes. Enlisted can NOT start out in this career, but rather must serve 3 years and then apply.

Officers CAN start out in that career field. You need to apply to be an officer. You get to pick three job choices, and pick ONLY OSI. If you list back-up choices, you will probably end up with a back-up choice. OSI is the rarest and hardest job to get- However, it can not hurt to try.

That would DIRECTLY help with your goals, since it directly translates. Otherwise, the only way the military helps is with a security clearance that you can carry over, some experience in a structured environment, and some extra free college towards a Master's degree.

Find thee an officer recruiter!
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Old 09-27-2012, 08:45 AM
 
Location: New Mexico U.S.A.
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Air Force Office of Special Investigations - Enlisted
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Inside AFOSI
Enlisted Military Agent

Enlisted Air Force members interested in applying for special agent duty may do so after successfully serving in another career field. Eligible applicants must be in the grades of SrA and SSgt with less than 10 years of active service.
Airmen interested in applying for Special Agent duty should contact their nearest AFOSI unit for an initial interview.

For additional information about eligibility and the application/selection process, please review the Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) page.

For more information on joining the Air Force, visit www.AirForce.com
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Old 09-27-2012, 08:57 AM
 
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@PonchoNM
Intelligence work, while interesting, doesn't exactly appeal to my sensibilities the same way criminal investigations do.

@looktowindward
There's a number of better degree choices I could have (should have) made, but switching degrees and staying in longer seemed like a bad plan at the time. Regardless, I know what I want.. I'm just not completely certain how to get there.

@CousinMaynard
I really haven't looked into the Coast Guard much.
Criminal Investigations (state, federal, or military level, wherever I can get my foot in the door best) is what I want. True, plans tend to fail or backfire, but I know what I'm good at and I'm not going to be content remaining in an un-engaging position for an extended period of time (longer than 5 years or so).

@dmarie123
I will be sure to double check with them, then. I honestly don't know for certain if they were officer recruiters or not. It's good to know that officers can start out in that career field though, even with stiff competition it's still a chance, and opportunity's all I can really ask for at this stage in life.

Thanks for all the responses so far, really.
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Old 09-27-2012, 09:53 AM
 
Location: New Mexico U.S.A.
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@PonchoNM
Intelligence work, while interesting, doesn't exactly appeal to my sensibilities the same way criminal investigations do.
There are a lot of opportunities in either major field.

Did you realized Join CID was U.S. Army Criminal Investigation Command.

If you want to be involved in investigations and want some military experience you might look at and compare the requirements of ALL services carefully. The CID page is pretty informative.


Rich
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Old 09-27-2012, 04:54 PM
 
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I think a term in the military is a good idea. Someday you might run for political office and that time spent in the military will give you some good background for public office.
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Old 09-27-2012, 09:42 PM
 
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I think you need to decide if you are all in.

I joined in 1996 when there were no wars(11c USArmy.)

Nobody talks about it much, but after 9/11 and the wars started lots of people started going awol or once lifers started getting out. Their heart wasn't in it like that.

The Army can be a great stepping stone and personally I believe it saved my life. Just make sure your heart is really in the right place. Don't do it for the benefits, that should be a side.
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