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Old 02-11-2013, 10:38 AM
 
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What "question?" What happened here is no mystery. He made a particularly bad choice and now is suffering the consequences.


He didn't have to walk away at all. He could have stayed on active duty with a nice cushy desk job stateside.
I edited my post above while you were typing. The question is why he left early. That was fairly obvious.
How do you know if they would have guaranteed him a "cushy desk job" as a reservist or not? You're doing a whole lot of speculating without much to back it up.
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Old 02-11-2013, 10:47 AM
 
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We can easily agree that it shouldn't take 8 months - bureaucracies suck. But it does sound as if the guy had some options he chose not to go for. Seems like military units would have fistfights to have him as an instructor, but if he simply wants out of the military before the stint is up, well...
That's why I'm wondering if it's a mental health issue--the Navy Seals deal with the worst of the worst situations. Leaving early doesn't make much sense under other circumstances--why would anyone just walk away unless they couldn't take it any more? I could be very wrong--it's total speculation on my part and I admit that. I do think they need to streamline the process to help people more quickly if that's how long it takes to get their disability through--it's the least we can do as a nation to thank them for their service.
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Old 02-11-2013, 10:51 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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How do you know if they would have guaranteed him a "cushy desk job" as a reservist or not? You're doing a whole lot of speculating without much to back it up.
I'm a West Point graduate. I am very familiar with the military's policies regarding disability retirements.
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Old 02-11-2013, 10:53 AM
 
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Leaving early doesn't make much sense under other circumstances--why would anyone just walk away unless they couldn't take it any more?
The belief that they could cash out their experience in other ways. Book deals, well paid contractor opportunities, there are a lot of reasons somebody might see their opportunities outside the service to be attractive enough to leave at 16.
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Old 02-11-2013, 10:54 AM
 
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I'm a West Point graduate. I am very familiar with the military's policies regarding disability retirements.
Then why not share your understanding of the situation vs. sniping at people? I'd like to understand this better, and you could probably shed some light on some of this. Is he guaranteed a desk job until he could retire? What happens if it really is a mental health issue, and he can't cope with being there longer?
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Old 02-11-2013, 10:59 AM
 
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The belief that they could cash out their experience in other ways. Book deals, well paid contractor opportunities, there are a lot of reasons somebody might see their opportunities outside the service to be attractive enough to leave at 16.
Typing at the same time again... I understand that he would have those opportunities, but wouldn't he have lined those up before he left if he was in any kind of physical or emotional shape to pursue them? Most rational people don't just walk off of a job without another lined up and ready to go unless they're at a place where they can't take it one more day. Again--that's why I'm wondering about the mental health issue. I can see regular enlisted personnel doing dumb things without thinking, but the Navy Seals are the cream of the crop both mentally and physically.
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Old 02-11-2013, 11:02 AM
 
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Then why not share your understanding of the situation vs. sniping at people?
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I'd like to understand this better, and you could probably shed some light on some of this. Is he guaranteed a desk job until he could retire?
No. He is guaranteed a desk job until his disability claims have been adjudicated and MILPERCEN determines whether to retire him or return him to full duty.

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What happens if it really is a mental health issue, and he can't cope with being there longer?
The same.
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Old 02-11-2013, 11:03 AM
 
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No. He is guaranteed a desk job until his disability claims have been adjudicated and MILPERCEN determines whether to retire him or return him to full duty.


The same.
There's absolutely no need to be so rude.
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Old 02-11-2013, 11:08 AM
 
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Typing at the same time again... I understand that he would have those opportunities, but wouldn't he have lined those up before he left if he was in any kind of physical or emotional shape to pursue them?
That depends. Some people would, some people wouldn't. Human behavior is a continuum.

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Most rational people don't just walk off of a job without another lined up and ready to go unless they're at a place where they can't take it one more day.
Most people who become Navy Seals do not look at "jobs" the same way you and I do. They are extraordinary in ways that should probably give you pause to use your own modes of decision making as a model for theirs. Many have a certain bias for action over planning.

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Again--that's why I'm wondering about the mental health issue. I can see regular enlisted personnel doing dumb things without thinking, but the Navy Seals are the cream of the crop both mentally and physically.
Everybody occasionally does dumb things without thinking. It's called the human condition.
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Old 02-11-2013, 11:09 AM
 
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There's absolutely no need to be so rude.
You thought that was "rude?" I thought it was "obvious."
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