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I notice in the manning list that the Electronics Technician and Sonar rating are classified as "undermanned". I am wondering why? Are they very difficult? Hard? It seems they are pretty attractive ratings.
Also are these ratings for (active) 4 years?
Thanks
I cannot tell you any specifics about surface ratings.
Generally; the more difficult the "A" school, the higher the minimum quals, and the higher the clearance, the more likely it is to be undermanned rate. Reason is it is jsut difficult to attract so many that meet the minimum these qualifications and pass through the schooling, then retention rates become another problem as many do one enlistment and get out.
The ET and ST rate might be a five year enlistment. The enlsitment is determend by how long your schooling is, the Navy wants a minimum number of years of actual work from you.
I cannot tell you any specifics about surface ratings.
Generally; the more difficult the "A" school, the higher the minimum quals, and the higher the clearance, the more likely it is to be undermanned rate. Reason is it is jsut difficult to attract so many that meet the minimum these qualifications and pass through the schooling, then retention rates become another problem as many do one enlistment and get out.
The ET and ST rate might be a five year enlistment. The enlsitment is determend by how long your schooling is, the Navy wants a minimum number of years of actual work from you.
We lost about 25% of the people I started A school with, the 47 weeks of school had something to do with it, as people ran into life problems aka drugs/alcohol, didn't want to be in the Navy after about a year. The rest were due to academics, people would have trouble understanding something and get rolled back, after 3 rolls you were an academic drop. It was a pretty challenging course all in all.
C school was a different story as the majority of those were hands on equipment specific schools.
ET was a 6 year enlistment, but due to overmanning in the early 90's they dropped your 2 year extension if you were at a command that was closing. ET went from 78% critically undermanned which meant advancement to E-5 was automatic to 138% critically overmanned which meant they didn't promote anybody for a couple of cycles. I scored a 151 first cycle for E-5, would have made it the cycle before but needed a 163 which was impossible without a 4.0 and a ton of PNA points. Also our SRB went from the max to nothing then back to max in the late 90's.
The thing about wanting a minimum amount of time from somebody after school, we had a guy who was a nuke flunk out. The thing was he flunked out of prototype school, after he graduated, his lpo at prototype school refused to qualify him and he was denuked, so they sent him to ET school as he was a nuke ET. When he started ET school in Chicago he had been in the Navy for over 2 and a half years, he spent another 9 months with us in ET school, graduated 3rd in our class and took a FFG pipeline school that was around 37 weeks.
I watched too many Officers (senior and JO's) and senior enlisted bank too much on thinking that since they're an Officer/Senior manager type companies will be head hunting them with out much effort. They slowly realize it's not the case. Companies (and even the government) hardly care about you being a former Master Chief/CDR/LCDR.
Agreed. I retired back in 1995. At that time they had a mandatory Transition Assistance Program that you were required to attend prior to retirement. Basically a pep rally telling mid-grade officers and senior enlisted how great they were, and that the civilian employment world would welcome them with open arms. I have not found that to be true over the last 18 years. Especially in the aviation field. To many of the civilian gatekeepers, you're just an unemployed middle age guy looking for a job.
Sure, there are some who land big jobs with the handful of decent airlines still left. In reality, the odds of landing such jobs, are slightly better than a star high school football player making it to the NFL.
Whether you're an AB or a Naval Aviator, the chances of you equaling or exceeding your total military compensation in an equivalent position in civilian aviation are slim.
Agreed. I retired back in 1995. At that time they had a mandatory Transition Assistance Program that you were required to attend prior to retirement. Basically a pep rally telling mid-grade officers and senior enlisted how great they were, and that the civilian employment world would welcome them with open arms. I have not found that to be true over the last 18 years. Especially in the aviation field. To many of the civilian gatekeepers, you're just an unemployed middle age guy looking for a job.
Sure, there are some who land big jobs with the handful of decent airlines still left. In reality, the odds of landing such jobs, are slightly better than a star high school football player making it to the NFL.
Whether you're an AB or a Naval Aviator, the chances of you equaling or exceeding your total military compensation in an equivalent position in civilian aviation are slim.
Completely agree. It doesn't take but a afew days or less ...And that sense of entitlement will be checked at the door.
That joke about how the torpedomen get all the chicks is funny. What about Gunner's Mates? Don't they get chicks too? Is GM rating for 4 years enlisment? Is it a physically hard rating in comparison to the engineering ratings?
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