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Old 12-29-2013, 08:37 AM
 
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Still active duty.

Who are you to decide what they deserve?
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Old 12-29-2013, 08:45 AM
 
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Still active duty.

Who are you to decide what they deserve?
Isn't that the purpose of this thread?

The simple fact is that many civilians and military personnel look at military retirement benefits and conclude that they are very generous. Many of the same people wonder whether our nation can continue to afford such generous benefits in a climate of austerity. As mentioned elsewhere, retirement benefits for veterans cost $130 billion per year -- or 1/5 of the US's total annual budget deficit. Think about that for a moment.

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Old 12-29-2013, 09:08 AM
 
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Still active duty.

Who are you to decide what they deserve?
If you're faking injuries, that's fraud.

Plus, like the previous poster mentioned, the whole point of the thread is discussing whether benefits are fair.
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Old 12-29-2013, 04:24 PM
 
Location: The Land of Reason
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But whining about it is so much more fun. After nearly 20 years active duty, I haven't come across even a fraction of the fakers that he has met all IRL. I said it before, but I don't think he's in the same military we are all talking about.

Hey, I did not post that!
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Old 12-29-2013, 07:08 PM
 
Location: Hard aground in the Sonoran Desert
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The simple fact is that many civilians and military personnel look at military retirement benefits and conclude that they are very generous. Many of the same people wonder whether our nation can continue to afford such generous benefits in a climate of austerity. As mentioned elsewhere, retirement benefits for veterans cost $130 billion per year -- or 1/5 of the US's total annual budget deficit. Think about that for a moment.
No, you need to think about it for a moment. The United States can't ask people to serve the country, then offer them certain benefits if they will stick around for 20 and once the person agrees and completes their obligation of 20+ years, change the benefits after the fact. If it is unaffordable to continue offering these benefits change it and let new people decide if they want to give up 20+ years of their life for the reduced benefits.

I would have never served 26 years on active duty had I known the benefits promised me were not the benefits I would receive after I completed my service.

Anyone that argues this is the right way to make changes to veterans benefits needs their head examined.
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Old 12-29-2013, 08:11 PM
 
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No, you need to think about it for a moment. The United States can't ask people to serve the country, then offer them certain benefits if they will stick around for 20 and once the person agrees and completes their obligation of 20+ years, change the benefits after the fact. If it is unaffordable to continue offering these benefits change it and let new people decide if they want to give up 20+ years of their life for the reduced benefits.

I would have never served 26 years on active duty had I known the benefits promised me were not the benefits I would receive after I completed my service.

Anyone that argues this is the right way to make changes to veterans benefits needs their head examined.
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Old 12-29-2013, 08:38 PM
 
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Isn't that the purpose of this thread?

The simple fact is that many civilians and military personnel look at military retirement benefits and conclude that they are very generous. Many of the same people wonder whether our nation can continue to afford such generous benefits in a climate of austerity. As mentioned elsewhere, retirement benefits for veterans cost $130 billion per year -- or 1/5 of the US's total annual budget deficit. Think about that for a moment.
Slippery slope. Cut this, just this once, what prevents them from changing the deal again after the fact....maybe 2% below inflation. Or cutting out the 'adjustment' at 62. Maybe a CUT in retiree income. Why not? After all, it's generous. Never mind that the promise was made and opportunities were foregone for that promise. Can you give me back my youth that I spent in the service, not seriously looking for other opportunities? I didn't think so.


The way to get after this problem is to cut out a weapons system. Or three. My suggestion is the F-35. Bam, there's 11 billion-more than they will get by this change.

If we're in that much fiscal trouble, well, let's go ahead and get the house in order-but not on the backs of retirees who gave up civilian careers for a promise.

Finally, seriously pursue the 401K-style option that's been bandied about. If someone enlists KNOWING that's the system, that's their own doing. If our recruitment drops through the floor after that change, then we'll know that wasn't the thing to pursue, we can target critically short jobs with bonuses for the short-term, and retirement can be changed back.
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Old 12-29-2013, 09:01 PM
 
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Dropping the F-35 gets my vote for a budget cut.
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Old 12-30-2013, 12:46 AM
 
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My two cents will probably inflame a few people, however, here we go:

Why should a supply clerk, a motor transport, or any other NON combat MOS be given the same retirement as a combat MOS. A grunt who has been humping the hell out of hills, being shot at, shooting others, spending many tours of duty in a non permissive environment, should be compensated beyond belief.

Some REMF should NOT be receiving the same benefit. Even if they spend 20+ years in the military. A retirement? Yes, of course. But not the same retirement as someone who has been facing combat on a daily basis.

Of course, I am going to get the: But, many clerks were in combat zones. Uh, yes/no. Hearing a few bombs go off, and getting a mortar round or two, isn't the same as running combat patrols for a living. Unless you have BTDT, please do not use that excuse. Those men/women who are running such patrols should be the ones highly compensated for it; including their retirement.
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Old 12-30-2013, 05:22 AM
 
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Those that stay in the military and retire are not really "robbing the bank". They don't receive any of the same payments civil servants receive while on active duty which saves the taxpayers trillions of dollars. I would like to see all military personnel shifted over to civil servants and receive the same pay etc....overtime, holiday pay, comp time etc...then the issue will be settled.
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