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The Marine Corps has been ordered to come up with a plan to make its enlisted entry-level training coed, and to make its job titles more gender-neutral following the recent move to open all military combat roles to women.
In a Jan. 1 memo to Marine Commandant Gen. Robert Neller, Navy Secretary Ray Mabus requested a "detailed plan" on how the service will fully integrate its boot camp and Officer Candidate School. The plan is due Jan. 15 and will be implemented by April 1, the memo states.
Guess you all can now get your markspersonship, lol.
Seriously, if men were apprehensive about women really joining the ranks now garbage like this won't make it any better. Wonder if many women are even concerned about it? Either way here's to the Army/Marines:
My thought is how would the implement this? I was 1BN Charlie company in boot camp, and the company was made up of 6 platoons. I guess they could just have one or two of these platoons be women only platoons. Come to think of it, minus PT, classroom situations, range and chow, you normally didn't see any of the other platoons. They might be able to integrate them enough to satisfy the SECNAV, but not be fully integrated so that it turns into a distraction. Of course, they would have to install curtains in all the barracks now.
What do you all think?
At the Army ROTC Basic Camp at Fort Knox 30 years ago we had females integrated down to the squad level. However all the females in the company were housed in a single platoon building in the old WWII type barracks with the males in the other old barracks around the company area. The only time we didn't have them around was at night. Should someone of an opposite gender entered a barracks, say the Drill Instructors wanted us all inside for some reason, they announced "male/female on the floor" and joined the rest of their squad.
- and all this "well the Army..blah blah blah" doesn't even apply here. Unless you've ever been a Marine you really can't see the forest for the trees. (even in desert cammies) Not saying you can't have an opinion but you really can't see that it's WRONG. W.R.O.N.G.
Girls? JOIN THE ARMY because it will be the same thing eventually if women and men are trained together. It doesn't really work in the other branches - sexual harassment, assaults and pregnancies are rampant.
Please do not support the watering down of the only highly trained fighting force we have left (except the SEALS of course).
Seriously? The US military has many "highly trained" forces across multiple service branches. The USMC is only a small part of our well trained forces..
That said, in the 21st century the US Army and USMC have close to 90% overlap for responsibilities. The exception would be amphibious assaults; a skill that hasn't been needed on a large scale in decades. Outside of recon and the different special units the USMC is used in very similar ways the Army is used..
People are bringing up the Army's basic training program because it can be used as a successful template for the USMC to borrow. Regardless of pride or tradition, which is the primary driver behind most of the opposition to integrated boot camps, integrated boots camps can work.
Seriously? The US military has many "highly trained" forces across multiple service branches. The USMC is only a small part of our well trained forces..
That said, in the 21st century the US Army and USMC have close to 90% overlap for responsibilities. The exception would be amphibious assaults; a skill that hasn't been needed on a large scale in decades. Outside of recon and the different special units the USMC is used in very similar ways the Army is used..
People are bringing up the Army's basic training program because it can be used as a successful template for the USMC to borrow. Regardless of pride or tradition, which is the primary driver behind most of the opposition to integrated boot camps, integrated boots camps can work.
Yes, seriously. Marines only look at SEALS as their equal. And British special forces - or at least how they used to be. I've become a fan of the Israeli Defense Force lately, however.
There's a lot to be said for tradition - and for tried and true methods. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Yes, seriously. Marines only look at SEALS as their equal. And British special forces - or at least how they used to be. I've become a fan of the Israeli Defense Force lately, however.
There's a lot to be said for tradition - and for tried and true methods. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Are you or were you in the US Marine Core recently? I'm curious to know how you can speak of what 10s of thousands of Marines feel. "Only" is a strong word and strictly implies 100% certainty.
Yes, seriously. Marines only look at SEALS as their equal. And British special forces - or at least how they used to be. I've become a fan of the Israeli Defense Force lately, however.
There's a lot to be said for tradition - and for tried and true methods. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Also was in the Marine Corps (hubby as well) and you're exactly right. We've always felt that way and while Army may want to delude themselves and think they're the same as us, they're not even close. I am 100% against this plan to make boot camp co-ed. Would change too much. Our DIs lived with us in those barracks and part of the training was the idea of constant pressure 24/7. You would eliminate that crucial element of training with a co-ed configuration.
What would it be? At the end of the day, you're "off" until the morning??? Ha! Would weaken our Marine Corps and I, for one, would not be in favor of such a plan.
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Boot camp to use gender neutral job titles.
