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Old 02-11-2017, 07:26 PM
 
Location: Tampa Area
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I'll be moving to Patch Barracks soon in Stuttgart Germany.

I have read that US 110v vacuum cleaners will fail if you try to use them
in Germany with a 220v to 110v converter. I guess the motor burns out
because of the 50hz cycle.

I have Hair Cutting Clippers that say 110v/60hz/9W. I wonder if it will
work with a converter?

What else fails because of the 50hz cycle?
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Old 02-12-2017, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Tampa, FL
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You can buy transformers and I believe all of the above work just fine. If not, you'll be able to find second-hand items like those that you describe at post thrift stores or from folks who bought 220 appliances and are returning home. The only thing that I had trouble with were old clock radios. But in general, all work with transformers. But whatever you do, don't just put on a simple adapter, it'll burn out all your appliances. Many appliances are switchable as well if you buy them in the post exchange.

Transformers can be bought second-hand. Buying them new can be expensive, but you'll recover some of your money when you return to the States and sell them to newbies or the Thrift Shop on post.


I think you'll enjoy Patch. Not far from beautiful S. Germany Alps. You'll have to visit Munich, Garmisch-Partenkirchen several times while you're there - as well as other European cities like London, Rome, Lisbon, Athens.

Man, you're lucky (lived in Germany for over 2 decades).
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Old 02-12-2017, 08:28 PM
 
Location: Tampa Area
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Neither converters nor transformers will change the cycles from 50Hz to 60Hz
so I need to figure out which US 60Hz items fail when being forced to accept 50Hz.

I have read that all US 110v/60Hz Vacuum Cleaners fail if you try to run
them on EU 50Hz power using a converter or transformer.

I am hoping people can chime in so I can donate those items to family VS
getting over there and trying them only to have them self-destruct..

Rent is insane in Stuttgart and I will be making less money than in FL so I
am going in looking for the life experience and hope the high cost of housing
etc doesn't ruin it..
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Old 02-12-2017, 10:04 PM
 
Location: New Mexico U.S.A.
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We completed our tour in Germany in 1980, so some things have changed.

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Neither converters nor transformers will change the cycles from 50Hz to 60Hz so I need to figure out which US 60Hz items fail when being forced to accept 50Hz.
Correct. On newer electronics the label should indicate 50/60 Hz or just 50 Hz. Some electronics are switchable and that would also be on the lable like 120/220 VAC. Transformers for high power items can be expensive and heavy, maybe 15 pounds... We use to buy them used at the ??? (don't recall name) on post for about $30 (That was 1977 prices).

Good luck on your tour! I would have liked to have taken another 36 month tour there...
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Old 02-13-2017, 11:27 AM
 
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Originally Posted by GulfCoastGuy View Post
Neither converters nor transformers will change the cycles from 50Hz to 60Hz
so I need to figure out which US 60Hz items fail when being forced to accept 50Hz.

I have read that all US 110v/60Hz Vacuum Cleaners fail if you try to run
them on EU 50Hz power using a converter or transformer.

I am hoping people can chime in so I can donate those items to family VS
getting over there and trying them only to have them self-destruct..

Rent is insane in Stuttgart and I will be making less money than in FL so I
am going in looking for the life experience and hope the high cost of housing
etc doesn't ruin it..

I thought that the difference in frequency is only problematic for consumer electronics. I would expect that a vacuum cleaner would run both with 50hz and 60hz.
Nevertheless I would recommend to buy a new vacuum cleaner in Germany. Prices for cheaper ones start at 40-50 Euro. Miele vacuum cleaners start at 120 Euro.
The rents in Stuttgart are for Germany indeed insanely high. But are they still high compared to Florida? You should be able to find a 1br apartment for less than 700 Euro, a 2br apartment for less than 850 Euro and a 3br apartment for less than 1,000 Euro in Stuttgart. And rents around Stuttgart are somewhat cheaper.
Quite a lot of goods are a lot cheaper in Germany. So it's not surprising that they will pay you less in Stuttgart.

According to Numbeo:

Orlando - Stuttgart:
Consumer prices are 19% higher in Orlando
Rent prices are 37% higher in Orlando
Restaurant prices are 15% higher in Orlando
Grocery prices are 66% higher in Orlando

Miami - Stuttgart:
Consumer prices are 32% higher in Miami
Rent prices are 121% higher in Miami
Restaurant prices are 42% higher in Miami
Grocery prices are 73% higher in Miami

Tampa - Stuttgart:
Consumer prices are 14% higher in Tampa
Rent prices are 43% higher in Tampa
Restaurant prices are 12% higher in Tampa
Grocery prices are 58% higher in Tampa

Jacksonville - Stuttgart:
Consumer prices are 15% higher in Jacksonville
Rent prices are 11% higher in Jacksonville
Restaurant prices are 13% higher in Jacksonville
Grocery prices are 58% higher in Jacksonville


I think it makes a lot of sense that you will get less money in Stuttgart. You will need less money.
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Old 02-14-2017, 09:14 PM
 
Location: Tampa, FL
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if you live off base, don't you get a housing allowance to cover the cost? you also get cost of living allowances -
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Old 02-21-2017, 07:06 AM
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Location: Endicott, NY
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Also, watch out when using US electric clocks or anything keeping time - 50 vs. 60 makes a difference .
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Old 02-21-2017, 07:54 AM
 
Location: New Mexico U.S.A.
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Originally Posted by GulfCoastGuy View Post
I'll be moving to Patch Barracks soon in Stuttgart Germany.

I have read that US 110v vacuum cleaners will fail if you try to use them
in Germany with a 220v to 110v converter. I guess the motor burns out
because of the 50hz cycle.
Some facts. I just asked my wife for some facts:

We lived in Germany. It was a 36 month tour and I extended for 6 months (so that is 42 months). 1977 to 1980. We shipped our used US "Kenmore, Canister" vacuum cleaner, sold by Sears to Germany. We used it with one of the large transformers. Those things weigh at least 10 pounds. We bought the transormer used from at the military "Thrift Shop".

We (I should say my wife) used the vacuum during our whole tour. We brought it back and it traveled with us to various assignments, then I retired from the military, I worked in the D.C. area, then I retired again. So here we are in New Mexico...

I just asked asked my wife what happened to that vacuum...

We still have it. She still uses it to vacuum window frames, and vacuum the cars. It's name is "Mr. Kenmore".

"Mr. Kenmore" is not for sale...

There you have it. A true story...
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Old 03-09-2017, 11:07 AM
 
Location: Tampa Area
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Evidently, vacuums and appliances made in the last 5-7 years in China are
made with cheaper parts that overheat and fail if they were designed for 60hz
and you run 50hz into it. Motors and transformers inside overheat and melt
their windings because they are not able to pull enough juice with 50 cycles.
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Old 03-09-2017, 11:11 AM
 
Location: New Mexico U.S.A.
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Evidently, vacuums and appliances made in the last 5-7 years in China are
made with cheaper parts that overheat and fail if they were designed for 60hz
and you run 50hz into it. Motors and transformers inside overheat and melt
their windings because they are not able to pull enough juice with 50 cycles.
That is possible...
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