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Old 03-29-2017, 06:52 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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Actually once an officer is within 5 years of retirement they can not be "let go." Those people in the article were no on the "eve" of the their retirement, they were SIX YEARS from retirement.

This absolutely can happen to officers, as officers aren't always under contract the way enlisted are. This is why I've decided to stay enlisted even with my degree... job security. The Air Force has a long history of doing this to officers, although usually earlier in their career. It's a risk every officer is aware of, and really no different than corporate America.
Isn't there an "up or out" policy for officers in a rank - they have to get promoted to the next rank within, say, 6 years, or be obliged to leave the service?
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Old 03-29-2017, 07:10 PM
 
Location: New Mexico U.S.A.
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Isn't there an "up or out" policy for officers in a rank - they have to get promoted to the next rank within, say, 6 years, or be obliged to leave the service?
The 1980 Defense Officer Personnel Management Act mandates that officers passed over twice for promotion are required to be discharged from the military. There may be other reasons also...
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Old 03-30-2017, 04:29 AM
 
Location: Richmond, VA
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The 1980 Defense Officer Personnel Management Act mandates that officers passed over twice for promotion are required to be discharged from the military. There may be other reasons also...
In a practical sense, that means that historically, a brand-new officer would have had to make Lieutenant Colonel to make it to 20 years. If that brand-new officer had about 4 years of enlisted service, they would have to make Major:

2LT on entry
1LT ~2 years
CPT ~4 years
MAJ ~10-11 years
LTC ~16 years
COL ~21 years

Anybody who's sat a board will realize that the top 50% are very easy to pick out. It's at the margins (the top 20% and the bottom 20%) it becomes a whole lot more of a crapshoot.

Someone who fails promotion or is promoted above zone shouldn't think they are worthless, as some of it is chance on board character of both the year they were passed over and the year they were promoted. But the cut has to be made somewhere. Eventually, you'll stop getting promoted and that's a clue you've reached your maximum effectiveness.

A lot will change with the new retirement system. You still have to make 20 to get a pension, but the pension is smaller and it's not all or nothing-the Thrift Savings Plan will now have matching and becomes a lot more critical. A new officer who had been saving a lot along the way may be a lot more tempted to jump off at the 8 to 12 year mark under this system.
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