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Old 05-08-2017, 01:20 PM
 
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I recently heard from a friend in the DOD who works with military and he said there is now a severe fighter pilot shortage. How is that even possible when everyone and there mom wants to fly fighters?


How did we go from enlisted's flying P51's right out of the gate to a half decade long convoluded blind contract process (ie academy, AFROTC coupled with a blind contract and any number of non flying nonsense inbetween). What ever happened to just having stick and rudder skills?

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Old 05-08-2017, 02:41 PM
 
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There is allot that goes into becoming a pilot. You have to be selected to become an officer, that in itself is extremely difficult. Then you have to make it though OCS. Then the basic pilot training. Then flying the training aircraft. Then you finally find out what you are going to be flying. Then you have to go through the aircraft specific training. Finally, after all of this, you get to your squadron.


I only know Naval aviation. The base I was stationed at, NAS Jacksonville, had at that time S-3's (now retired), P-3's (now retired), and H-60's. I talked to many young S-3 pilots who were upset that they were "stuck" in the S-3. In fact, most talked about trying to change branches to try and get a "better" aircraft.


So as a young civilian, there is allot of uncertainty involved. Sure you may be a fighter jock, but you have just as much of a chance of flying a support/cargo aircraft.
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Old 05-08-2017, 03:04 PM
 
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There is allot that goes into becoming a pilot. You have to be selected to become an officer, that in itself is extremely difficult. Then you have to make it though OCS. Then the basic pilot training. Then flying the training aircraft. Then you finally find out what you are going to be flying. Then you have to go through the aircraft specific training. Finally, after all of this, you get to your squadron.


I only know Naval aviation. The base I was stationed at, NAS Jacksonville, had at that time S-3's (now retired), P-3's (now retired), and H-60's. I talked to many young S-3 pilots who were upset that they were "stuck" in the S-3. In fact, most talked about trying to change branches to try and get a "better" aircraft.


So as a young civilian, there is allot of uncertainty involved. Sure you may be a fighter jock, but you have just as much of a chance of flying a support/cargo aircraft.
The Navy still uses lots of P-3's, they have not been retired. My last squadron had A's, B's, C's and EP-3's.
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Old 05-08-2017, 06:09 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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The Air Force has a huge pilot shortage for a few reasons. We make it hard to get selected and become a pilot, we require 10 year contracts which scare people away, and they are not treated well, don't get flying hours, and are away from home a lot. Retention is terrible. We have $250,000 Resigning bonuses and people still refuse second contracts because they hate their job in the Air Force. They'll do 10 hours of paperwork for 1 hour of flight because we don't have the money for the fuel to let them fly non-essential flights. Their skills atrophy, they get restless, and they want to go work for the airlines where life will be better.
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Old 05-08-2017, 07:06 PM
 
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It's also not super easy to pass the FC1 flight physical.
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Old 05-09-2017, 01:43 AM
 
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There is allot that goes into becoming a pilot. You have to be selected to become an officer, that in itself is extremely difficult. Then you have to make it though OCS. Then the basic pilot training. Then flying the training aircraft. Then you finally find out what you are going to be flying. Then you have to go through the aircraft specific training. Finally, after all of this, you get to your squadron.


I only know Naval aviation. The base I was stationed at, NAS Jacksonville, had at that time S-3's (now retired), P-3's (now retired), and H-60's. I talked to many young S-3 pilots who were upset that they were "stuck" in the S-3. In fact, most talked about trying to change branches to try and get a "better" aircraft.


So as a young civilian, there is allot of uncertainty involved. Sure you may be a fighter jock, but you have just as much of a chance of flying a support/cargo aircraft.
Is this process useful in getting the best stick and rudder pilots? Whats going to happen if we have a major war, most professional pilots in the civilian sector are out of draft age, does the military think that people will be lined up to go get killed who 10-15 years earlier they told to take a hike?


Just seems like a really backwards way of maintaining a good military, we won WW2 on enlisted pilots.


Or do they think they just need basicly nuke deliverey drivers and that things like F22's are for show?
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Old 05-09-2017, 01:46 AM
 
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It's also not super easy to pass the FC1 flight physical.
Physical is lagit but thats miles down the pipe after AFROTC/academy, i did 2 years of AFROTC and never took one and did the national gaurd and got out before OCS and never took one so thats like the end of the road when that flight physical should be day one, if im not physically qualified then thats kinda that, why waste huge amounts of time and money if your going to fail that exam.
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Old 05-09-2017, 06:49 AM
 
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Is this process useful in getting the best stick and rudder pilots? Whats going to happen if we have a major war, most professional pilots in the civilian sector are out of draft age, does the military think that people will be lined up to go get killed who 10-15 years earlier they told to take a hike?


Just seems like a really backwards way of maintaining a good military, we won WW2 on enlisted pilots.


Or do they think they just need basicly nuke deliverey drivers and that things like F22's are for show?
The world and technology has changed. While you are asking who will be the next Chuck Yeager others are saying that the last fighter pilot has already been born. We have the F-22 because the basic F-16 is about to hit its 40 birthday in the fleet
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Old 05-09-2017, 10:01 AM
 
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The world and technology has changed. While you are asking who will be the next Chuck Yeager others are saying that the last fighter pilot has already been born. We have the F-22 because the basic F-16 is about to hit its 40 birthday in the fleet
That's true, we are probably only a few years away from autonomous drone fighters ....
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Old 05-09-2017, 12:40 PM
 
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The world and technology has changed. While you are asking who will be the next Chuck Yeager others are saying that the last fighter pilot has already been born. We have the F-22 because the basic F-16 is about to hit its 40 birthday in the fleet
First Enlisted RPA Pilots Graduate
https://www.airforcetimes.com/articl...ilots-graduate


Air Force selects 30 airmen for the next round of enlisted RPA pilot training
https://www.airforcetimes.com/articl...pilot-trainees


This is actually rather controversial among us retired AF enlisted.
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