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Old 05-23-2017, 12:00 PM
 
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Well, with him being in the U.S Army wouldn't he know?
NO. Truth is not a requirement in military service or defense services.
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Old 05-23-2017, 12:21 PM
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Location: Wasilla, AK
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As someone who is in the military, people are very afraid to seek help due to perceived career implications. You can have you career ended for any number of medical conditions, but generally it is safe to seek mental health help- people are just scared. In my career, I've 3x been on anxiety medications, been to on and off base counseling, and been diagnosed with anxiety and depression. If I tell a coworker or friend, they immediately express concern for my career. Yet, it has had ZERO career implications. ZERO. It has not had any affect on my career. It's safe to seek help, but the rumor-mill has everyone scared.
This is very true in the flying world. In our world, the worst thing that can happen to you is going DNIF (duties not involving flying). It means you're grounded. I know flyers who had very debilitating reactions to the anthrax vaccination. Yet, they had to keep their mouths shut for fear of not being able to fly. So for us, there were career implications. We had one person who was quite content to go DNIF for the remainder of her career, but she went into a nonflying position. But most of us wanted nothing more than to spend the remainder of our career in the air. So we kept our mouths shut. Because for us, life on the ground would have been intolerable.
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Old 05-23-2017, 01:13 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas
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You can lose your clearance for anything that might make you vulnerable or a target for blackmail or espionage. That can include all manner of medical conditions, excessive debt, or even marital infidelity. And it can be your whole family, not just you!

The higher the clearance, the more scrutiny!
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Old 05-24-2017, 08:51 AM
 
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You can lose your clearance for anything that might make you vulnerable or a target for blackmail or espionage. That can include all manner of medical conditions, excessive debt, or even marital infidelity. And it can be your whole family, not just you!

The higher the clearance, the more scrutiny!

The first sentence is true. The second sentence is not true. "...all manner of medical conditions" does not create vulnerability to blackmail or espionage.
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Old 05-24-2017, 08:54 AM
 
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During my Active Duty career, there was a time when I was in the PRP [Personnel Reliability Program] tied to my security clearances. Under the PRP, I could have seen my clearances revoked for any of a long list of reasons: dental work, debt, divorce, STDs, relatives traveling over-seas, communications with foreign nationals, etc.

I was obligated to inform my doctor that I was in the PRP anytime that I sought medical treatment.
There are a number of things that can invalidate PRP that do not prevent gaining a security clearance. But it's security clearance, not PRP that's being discussed here. I spent a quarter of a century with a TOP SECRET security clearance, but my duties never put me on PRP.
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Old 05-24-2017, 09:10 AM
 
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Saw this video: https://www.facebook.com/retainyourf...?fref=mentions

Very sad and well worth watching, but in summary her husband was dealing with PTSD and when she asked him to get help he declined because he said he would lose his security clearance, but ended up committing suicide. I mean I get they want mentally well people but seems kind of dumb if just asking for help and getting a treatment plan could make you lose it.
One of the morals of the story if true is if your loved one has PTSD then they may not have the judgement to know what is best but you know they need treatment priority one. Clearances etc are secondary. Get them in treatment.

Moral two, even if treatment suspends security clearance, they will move you to a job where it is not required. It may be a temporary situation, it may be long term, or it may be medical disability but treatment in priority one.
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Old 05-24-2017, 11:35 AM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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I have a dear friend who is a gunsmith. He gets a lot of letters from the ATF about how they keep updating their policies. He is very concerned about vets with PTSD. If the VA has 'adjudicated' your claim for any mental illness you can no longer own a firearm.

Yea. The key word there being "adjudicated". That's on the 4473. There's a difference twixt "diagnosed" and "adjudicated". I have a shooting buddy who uses the VA, and it gives me nightmares hearing what he goes through with them. Things are bad enough out here in the private medical arena, but the VA makes that look like an exercise in convenience.
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Old 05-24-2017, 01:11 PM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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There are a number of things that can invalidate PRP that do not prevent gaining a security clearance. But it's security clearance, not PRP that's being discussed here. I spent a quarter of a century with a TOP SECRET security clearance, but my duties never put me on PRP.
In my career field, the two are closely intertwined, it is hard to distinguish between them.

Anyone requiring one would also require the other.
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Old 05-24-2017, 01:15 PM
 
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In my career field, the two are closely intertwined, it is hard to distinguish between them.

Anyone requiring one would also require the other.
Yep, I can see that as being totally true. The same would be true of Air Force folks in the nuclear wings of Air Combat Command.
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Old 05-25-2017, 04:55 PM
 
Location: Tioga County
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I know someone very well who has every reason to claim ptsd.....but is a competitive shooter. He rightly worries about what might be allowed today..may change at some point to prohibit him from owning a firearm.
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