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Old 07-03-2017, 06:33 AM
 
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My understanding, after having 3 sons in the Army, one of which was an E8, it is not that hard to get there, given enough time and distinguishing yourself, but there has to be a slot open. So you can hang for years as an E7 promotable.
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Old 07-04-2017, 09:56 AM
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Not mentioned by the knowledgeable Marines in this thread has been the issue of budgetary restraints. The number of slots available depends on the DoD finances which limits each pay grade.
USAF and USA and USN have the same issues.
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Old 07-05-2017, 12:11 PM
 
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Time in grade can actually pay better than being promoted in some specialties.

A senior First Class Petty Officer (the Navy's equivalent of a Sergeant) can make more than a new Chief Petty Officer in some critical rates when considering the time left in service before retirement.

This is especially true when a senior petty officer considers becoming a commissioned officer. An Ensign, a commissioned officer, makes a lot less money than a Senior CPO. If a person waits too long, gaining rank may not be worth it.

It's very important to learn a lot and make some solid plans beforehand in choosing the military for a career. Once in, the needs of the service will always take precedence, so an individual can get stuck in a job that has to place to advance, while someone else can have a job where advancement is just as fast as experience allows.

A lot of those career jobs aren't the most obvious. So knowing as much as possible, and having some clear ideas as to where you want to go and what you want to do in the military before signing the papers is really important. The military will guarantee some things, but any recruiter will promise the moon and stars if they know they don't have to guarantee the delivery of them.
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Old 07-05-2017, 12:21 PM
 
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OP,

I suppose the next question would be along the lines of how does one get promoted ahead of his peers or something along those lines.

You have to do a great job, of course. But one factor that would be beyond your control is luck. Sometimes you get a great assignment with a great reviewer. This is Army but it's an example of luck. I knew a guy who was about 29 years old and an E8 in the Army. I asked him how he did it. He laughed and said, "To be honest, luck had a lot to do with it. I did a good job but I got into some great units."

Politics has some to do with it as well. I assume the USMC E8 promotion boards are centralized meaning that they're not done at the local level. If people on that board know you and believe you have the potential, you would get the benefit of the doubt over others, IMO.

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My understanding, after having 3 sons in the Army, one of which was an E8, it is not that hard to get there, given enough time and distinguishing yourself, but there has to be a slot open. So you can hang for years as an E7 promotable.
But you also have to remember that the Army is a much larger organization so even if the % stayed the same, the raw number would be much higher.
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Old 07-05-2017, 01:10 PM
 
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Time in grade can actually pay better than being promoted in some specialties.

A senior First Class Petty Officer (the Navy's equivalent of a Sergeant) can make more than a new Chief Petty Officer in some critical rates when considering the time left in service before retirement.

This is especially true when a senior petty officer considers becoming a commissioned officer. An Ensign, a commissioned officer, makes a lot less money than a Senior CPO. If a person waits too long, gaining rank may not be worth it.

It's very important to learn a lot and make some solid plans beforehand in choosing the military for a career. Once in, the needs of the service will always take precedence, so an individual can get stuck in a job that has to place to advance, while someone else can have a job where advancement is just as fast as experience allows.

A lot of those career jobs aren't the most obvious. So knowing as much as possible, and having some clear ideas as to where you want to go and what you want to do in the military before signing the papers is really important. The military will guarantee some things, but any recruiter will promise the moon and stars if they know they don't have to guarantee the delivery of them.
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Excellent point !
I once posted a scenario of choosing between 2 Navy rates.
One you really like but advancement is very slow.


The other you like (not your first choice) but chances for advancement are much better
Seems most posters who replied said it was a no brainer and you always should pick the rate you like the best.


I was one of the very few who disagreed. RHIP ( rate has its privileges)


I believe I would rather be a Petty Officer 1st Class ( E-6) working a rate I liked than a Petty Officer 2nd Class ( E-5) in a rate I liked better but PNA was the rule rather than the exception.


PNA ( passed but not advanced )
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Old 07-06-2017, 01:24 PM
 
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Excellent point !
I once posted a scenario of choosing between 2 Navy rates.
One you really like but advancement is very slow.


The other you like (not your first choice) but chances for advancement are much better
Seems most posters who replied said it was a no brainer and you always should pick the rate you like the best.


I was one of the very few who disagreed. RHIP ( rate has its privileges)


I believe I would rather be a Petty Officer 1st Class ( E-6) working a rate I liked than a Petty Officer 2nd Class ( E-5) in a rate I liked better but PNA was the rule rather than the exception.


PNA ( passed but not advanced )
Yup. There is a lot of daily routine in the military. Having a job a person likes is a lot better than having one that one doesn't like, day after day.

But there are always some specialties that are so small that they are always full of qualified personnel, so advancement can be very slow in them. I wanted to be a mapmaker, but I soon learned it was a rate that almost never had any vacancies. Those who were in it were mostly lifers who were in for a full 20 or 30 years.
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Old 07-07-2017, 12:49 PM
 
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If you're "A J squared away" you can do it! I mean from the beginning, you be the one with the best uniform. Spend extra time at the gym and try to ace your fitness test. Take extra PME and off duty education. Volunteer with the community. All this stuff adds up when you submit your promotion package.

Also, don't be afraid to switch fields if the one you're in is top-heavy (no pun intended). There are some fields you'll never get promoted unless someone dies. Your career planner should help - I guess there are still career planners.
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