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Old 07-07-2017, 11:23 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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They both pretty much said I can't join and quickly hung up the phone. But I'm hoping I can do Navy.
They can't refuse to do a waiver. They prefer to work with people who don't need waivers, but if you ask for a waiver, they can't refuse to do it. The commander can disapprove it, but the recruiter MUST try. They're obligated to run the waiver IF you ask.
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Old 07-07-2017, 11:30 PM
 
Location: At mah house
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I think before you try the Navy, you speak with the AF recruiters again. I could be wrong, but it's not the recruiter's call if you can receive a waiver. I know the AF doesn't give out many waivers, but you should still apply for one to see if it will be waived. If this happened a year ago, you were a minor, you were found not guilty after going through a diversion program, I guess the arrest is still there, but you don't have a criminal record. The only concern is getting a security clearance, but I seriously doubt petty theft would disqualify you from that in perpetuity.
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Old 07-07-2017, 11:31 PM
 
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That's weird. I had an "expunged" record as a juvenile, told the AF recruiter about it and I was still able to join. But then again, this was back in 1990 and I don't recall if I received a waiver or they just didn't pursue "looking" for my record. Was also able to get my security clearance.

Maybe you should talk to another AF recruiter, but then again, I don't know if they preside over specific districts.
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Old 07-07-2017, 11:42 PM
 
Location: At mah house
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Also, you could NOT have been found not guilty through diversion. Those are legally two separate things. Diversion is a consequence. This can be dropped, dismissed, noelle prosequi, but NOT "not guilty." It could be that the recruiters are confused or doubt your story since it's literally impossible to be found not guilty through diversion. Those who stand trial and are found not guilty do not have consequences or adjudication. Diversion is a type of adjudication. Figure out what really happened before you approach the next recruiter. Dropped charges are not the same as not guilty. Dismissed charges are not the same as not guilty.
This makes sense. I was scratching my head at that, but I thought maybe they do things differently in Florida (where the OP appears to live). I'm curious, just as information: would someone need a waiver for charges that were dismissed and their record expunged? If the matter was basically settled, is it a moral waiver? The only other issue I can see is if one of the conditions of the diversion is a period of time without getting into any more trouble, and that amount of time might not have passed yet.
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Old 07-08-2017, 10:14 AM
 
Location: San Antonio
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This makes sense. I was scratching my head at that, but I thought maybe they do things differently in Florida (where the OP appears to live). I'm curious, just as information: would someone need a waiver for charges that were dismissed and their record expunged? If the matter was basically settled, is it a moral waiver? The only other issue I can see is if one of the conditions of the diversion is a period of time without getting into any more trouble, and that amount of time might not have passed yet.
They do NOT need a waiver if they went to trial and were found not-guilty. They DO need a waiver if they did diversion. Diversion is considered a type of adjudication. The Air Force views it as Diversion=guilt. You did it, and the court imposed a consequence- but they cut you a break with diversion/dropped/dismissed. It doesn't mean you didn't do the crime, it means the court went easy on you. The waiver isn't needed based on court outcome as much as it is needed because an individual committed a crime and now has their character in question. Courts don't give diversion to people who are innocent.
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Old 07-08-2017, 01:21 PM
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Oh, then it must have been dropped. Sorry about that. But I do know some people in the Air Force that have connections to recruiters so I could speak with them and try that. But the recruiters I talked to said since it wasn't before I was 13 I couldn't join. But I did not tell them it was through diversion, I stated my charges were dropped. And then they said no and try the Army. It was all over the phone which was maybe why they were quick to rush me off. But would I still have a shot if it was through Diversion? I could call again but the 2 recruiters i called rushed me off before i could even ask for a possibility of a waiver.
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Old 07-08-2017, 01:33 PM
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I also have an excellent academic record as well and did a program at the community college in my district to start college my senior which I did do and complete and now have a 3.9 college GPA. This is the only the holding me back from the Air Force which sucks. Hopefully, I can find a way in the AF. If not, then I'll need to try the navy.
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Old 07-08-2017, 02:43 PM
 
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ask the local police to give you a background report or criminal history or whatever they call it.


since your history is an issue, see what it says.
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Old 07-09-2017, 08:09 AM
 
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If this is what you want keep at it and exhaust all possibilities before giving up.
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Old 07-09-2017, 08:21 AM
 
Location: New Mexico U.S.A.
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Oh, then it must have been dropped. Sorry about that. But I do know some people in the Air Force that have connections to recruiters so I could speak with them and try that. But the recruiters I talked to said since it wasn't before I was 13 I couldn't join. But I did not tell them it was through diversion, I stated my charges were dropped. And then they said no and try the Army. It was all over the phone which was maybe why they were quick to rush me off. But would I still have a shot if it was through Diversion? I could call again but the 2 recruiters i called rushed me off before i could even ask for a possibility of a waiver.
Sounds like you are providing recruiters with untrue statements. Yes, you can try a find someone in the Air Force that has connections to recruiters, good luck with that. You appear to be wasting some recruiters time, that's why they are brushing you off.

I do not think we are getting the entire true story here...
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