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Old 07-23-2017, 01:20 AM
 
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Apparently, more than 100 U.S. Navy and United States Marine Corps aviation officers were alleged to have sexually assaulted 83 women and 7 men, or otherwise engaged in "improper and indecent" conduct at the Las Vegas Hilton in Las Vegas, Nevada.

Do you think it was really as bad as they say?
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Old 07-23-2017, 07:34 AM
 
Location: Central Massachusetts
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I read this thread and thought back to the time when this was news. It has been a number of years but not so long ago that it doesn't still affect me. I will give you my opinion as it has not changed one bit. Those officers were wrong and needed to be punished to the full extent of the law. Military service as officers and senior leaders has enough trouble without adding on stupidity.

I was and still consider myself a senior leader and a non-commissioned officer. I made a career in the military and I am proud of my service. I consider the action of those officers and leaders to be detrimental and criminal. If I had heard or seen any actions like that I would have been a whistleblower. I am thankful I didn't have to witness it. In nearly a 40 year career I have had some good leaders and bad but none were like that at all. So I guess the point here is that it was such a small group of people that it was a blip. But the actions were such that it had to be reported so as to ensure that it doesn't happen again.
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Old 07-23-2017, 08:40 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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As a old River Rat in 'Nam I believe some, most, things are tolerable. These actions were not among them although it is difficult to tell when a mass orgy becomes a mass rape.
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Old 07-26-2017, 12:30 AM
 
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Wasn't there when it happened but I was in the service at the time. While the believe such attacks took place and warranted punishments, I feel the old saying "the tale grows taller on down the line" comes into play here. How much of what was reported actually happened and how much was gross exaggeration will never be known.
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Old 09-06-2017, 08:22 PM
 
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I am a female and was in the AF (12 years) in munitions - who can be equally crude. I was stationed in southern California when Tailhook happened. I'm not saying what they was okay, but dang the women were stupid. There's no way in hell I would have ever walked down a dark hallway lined with drunk pilots. Pilots are the cockiest things I have ever met. Women have got to use some common sense. I saw a lot of things that if they had happened in the last 10 years would've have ended their career, some with jail time. Back then, not so much.
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Old 09-06-2017, 09:53 PM
 
Location: Hard aground in the Sonoran Desert
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I'm going to refrain from commenting on it as it would probably get the thread moved or closed.
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Old 09-07-2017, 06:45 AM
 
Location: Fuquay Varina
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I'm going to refrain from commenting on it as it would probably get the thread moved or closed.


Then why even make a comment lol


I was in the navy back then. it was a bunch of officers and it only affected me because we had to ALL go through extra training because of it.
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Old 09-08-2017, 10:13 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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I was in the Army thinking that our clubs looked nothing like the women going after a pilot in An Officer And A Gentleman or the party scene in Top Gun. If there was any truth in the fictional portrayal of aviators getting the rock star treatment I could see why they got in trouble at a convention
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Old 09-08-2017, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Hard aground in the Sonoran Desert
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Then why even make a comment lol


I was in the navy back then. it was a bunch of officers and it only affected me because we had to ALL go through extra training because of it.
Same reason you commented on my comment?
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Old 09-08-2017, 03:54 PM
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Location: Kansas
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I am a female and was in the AF (12 years) in munitions - who can be equally crude. I was stationed in southern California when Tailhook happened. I'm not saying what they was okay, but dang the women were stupid. There's no way in hell I would have ever walked down a dark hallway lined with drunk pilots. Pilots are the cockiest things I have ever met. Women have got to use some common sense. I saw a lot of things that if they had happened in the last 10 years would've have ended their career, some with jail time. Back then, not so much.
I agree on all counts! They want to call it "victim blaming" if anyone hints that common sense would have went a long way and/or personal responsibility, but I never had an issue that could not be addressed with a look or a sentence or two.

I never cared much for officers (my older son is now a LTC) in general, but being enlisted, it was easy enough to almost totally avoid them. The military is made up of people from every venue in life, anyone who hasn't been in the military can never understand how things work, it is not the real world.

As my status says "Respect is not a right, it is something you have to earn."
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