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Old 07-28-2017, 04:05 PM
 
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I'm currently working on a shadow box for my wife's late (first) husband, who served from 1966-1969 (one tour in Vietnam (14 Feb 67-5 Feb 68) and then one in Germany (18 Feb 68-25 Aug 69). I have the following list of awards and decorations from his DD214:

Good Conduct Medal
National Defense Service Medal
Vietnam Service Medal
Vietnam Campaign Medal
One Overseas Bar
Marksman M-14

When I did a similar shadow box for my wife's father, who served in WWII, I found out that he was entitled to a medal (forget the name of it) given to all service members who served during that war. Of course, my wife's father never actually wore this medal and it is not mentioned on his DD214 as it was retroactively authorized AFTER the war.

So my question is, were there any medals or ribbons authorized after the end of the Vietnam War that my wife's first husband would be entitled to?

Thank you,

Dave
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Old 07-28-2017, 04:56 PM
 
Location: The wild horse filled region of Atropia.
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So my question is, were there any medals or ribbons authorized after the end of the Vietnam War that my wife's first husband would be entitled to?

I'm not savy on Vietnam era awards and service medals, so the blanket awards such as campaign ribbons, new campaigns, etc escape me.

Things like unit awards are often finalized and approved a few years after the unit submits them, so his unit may have received something that would be considered permanent wear(individual was in the unit or participated in the event for which the unit was awarded).

I do find it interesting that he only received 1 overseas service bar vs 2. Each bar is for 6 months. It is possible that they used exact days to calculate the bars during that time. Although it changed somewhat recently, during the whole GWOT thing February to February equals 2 bars(any portion of the month equals a whole month).

A decent source to dig through: http://www.apd.army.mil/epubs/DR_pub.../r600_8_22.pdf
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Old 07-28-2017, 05:14 PM
 
Location: Central Massachusetts
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I'm not savy on Vietnam era awards and service medals, so the blanket awards such as campaign ribbons, new campaigns, etc escape me.

Things like unit awards are often finalized and approved a few years after the unit submits them, so his unit may have received something that would be considered permanent wear(individual was in the unit or participated in the event for which the unit was awarded).

I do find it interesting that he only received 1 overseas service bar vs 2. Each bar is for 6 months. It is possible that they used exact days to calculate the bars during that time. Although it changed somewhat recently, during the whole GWOT thing February to February equals 2 bars(any portion of the month equals a whole month).

A decent source to dig through: http://www.apd.army.mil/epubs/DR_pub.../r600_8_22.pdf
I believe you might have confused the ribbon he was awarded with the bar on the sleeve of his uniform. You are correct 1 bar for each 6 months overseas but that is for combat zone.

Dave E you might have to dig a bit to find out if any unit citations were given to his unit in Vietnam. You probably have all of his personal awards with the exception of any NCO professional development awards.
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Old 07-28-2017, 05:21 PM
 
Location: The wild horse filled region of Atropia.
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I believe you might have confused the ribbon he was awarded with the bar on the sleeve of his uniform. You are correct 1 bar for each 6 months overseas but that is for combat zone.

No I didn't. The OSR didn't come out until 1981. He spent a year(short a couple days, but Feb to Feb) in Vietnam.
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Old 07-28-2017, 05:49 PM
 
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Thank you, guys. In the two questions I've asked on this site, the answers have been so very informative. When I looked into the overseas bar (before posting here), I recall it did say for six months in a combat zone. Could there have been a technicality -- i.e. for six of the months he was in Vietnam, he was involved in direct combat, but the other six he was way "behind the lines"? Or did just being in Vietnam, anywhere, count as being in a combat zone?

And again, the DD214 could have been wrong. I had an award for which I have the medal, the accompanying certificate and paperwork, yet it is not listed on my DD214. A rushed clerk/typist who wanted to get done and get on home, I suppose.

Thanks again,

Dave
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Old 07-29-2017, 06:24 AM
 
Location: Central Massachusetts
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Dave a person gets the bar as the regulation states for every 6 calendar months and he actually needs to spend only one day of that month. So lets use for example he arrives last day in July (31 July) and remains there until Christmas day of that same year. He would qualify for all six months as if it were the entire month. If they had said 180 days that would have been different. I believe when they wrote the regulation they thought long and hard about that rule and decided that anyone that entered the combat zone and so did multiple times as in special assignment like a ranger should be awarded the bar. So in your research of him look closely at the dates he entered theater. Even if he were on board a ship off shore he is still in theater.
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Old 07-29-2017, 10:28 AM
 
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I'm not savy on Vietnam era awards and service medals, so the blanket awards such as campaign ribbons, new campaigns, etc escape me.

Things like unit awards are often finalized and approved a few years after the unit submits them, so his unit may have received something that would be considered permanent wear(individual was in the unit or participated in the event for which the unit was awarded).

I do find it interesting that he only received 1 overseas service bar vs 2. Each bar is for 6 months. It is possible that they used exact days to calculate the bars during that time. Although it changed somewhat recently, during the whole GWOT thing February to February equals 2 bars(any portion of the month equals a whole month).

A decent source to dig through: http://www.apd.army.mil/epubs/DR_pub.../r600_8_22.pdf
I think you're right that they changed the calculation for overseas service bars. I was in Vietnam from mid-April '70 until early March '71; a little over a month shy of a full 12 month tour. When I got to the Oakland Army Depot they put two bars on the new Class A uniform they issued me. Never thought a thing of it. A couple of years later when I my records were reviewed for promotion to E-7 the board commented that my uniform should only have one bar since I didn't complete the full second six months of my tour. I got selected, so they obviously didn't think it was serious breach on my part. I did go back to personnel and looked at my DA Form 1. Sure enough, down at the bottom on the awards and decorations section it said "Overseas Bars - 1". I'd reviewed that form before my packet went in, but only checked to make sure my other stuff was there. Just didn't pay attention to that line. You can bet that when my packet was submitted for E-8 the uniform in my official photo had only one bar on it.
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Old 07-31-2017, 02:51 PM
 
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He is also authorized the Vietnamese cross of gallantry. This was awarded to ALL US military personel serving in Vietnam. The authorization came near the end........


Link:http://www.tioh.hqda.pentagon.mil/Ca...dals&ps=24&p=0
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