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Old 09-18-2017, 01:34 AM
 
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But they did not even go and kill or capture Bin Laden. The CIA had a SEAL team do it for them.
Actually, the president had the DoD do it for him, and the DoD selected a SEAL team to dispatch a detachment.


Legally, the CIA is not supposed to carry out combat duties, and legally the DoD only carries out combat duties under limited situations of "war and war-like circumstances."


But sometimes the lines get blurred. Generally, the DoD prefers to do it when the pretext is legally solid, but if it looks like some would go to prison if the action were made public, they'll let the CIA handle it.
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Old 09-18-2017, 07:03 AM
 
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you can add in one of the most successful TV series "Mash". No spec ops there.
Don't forget Gomer Pyle USMC... definitely no Special OPs there or Officer and a Gentleman or Private Valentine or Stripes...
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Old 09-18-2017, 07:58 AM
 
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Don't forget Gomer Pyle USMC... definitely no Special OPs there or Officer and a Gentleman or Private Valentine or Stripes...
The thing is while we can always go back to the history of TV and movies I place my commentary on shows produced from the 1990s onward. After making Magnum PI a SEAL instead of a Marine, Rambo and the Delta Force and Navy SEAL movies. Since before Vietnam there were no US "special operations forces" as we define the term today. And it took about 20 years after the last infantry veterans finished their combat tour for a character to have a historical reason to have faced combat during an extended time of mostly peace.

Just saying that while John Wayne produced The Green Berets back then nobody questioned why your character who was in the 15th Infantry or the 1st Marines faced that battle which there may have been for veterans of the same units 20 years later. So once the bias set in come 2002 when regular troops again were in extended combat we still have the focus on special forces and your detective/special agent being a Ranger SEAL before going to the police academy.
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Old 09-18-2017, 04:18 PM
 
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I think Hollywood should make a movie about us USMC 2847s going through the hell which was Y2K.
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Old 09-18-2017, 10:09 PM
 
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But they did not even go and kill or capture Bin Laden. The CIA had a SEAL team do it for them.
The CIA did not have the SEAL team do it for them. The mission was a DOD mission, not a CIA one.

At that, not sure what your point is. You asked if they do combat, I answered yes. There is a lot that goes into whether the CIA or military conducts a mission, as well as a lot into the allotment of CIA forces (which the military can be attached to) in a country (meaning that the CIA is not bound by troop limits, neither are the military forces attached to the CIA).
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Old 09-18-2017, 11:20 PM
 
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What difference does that make? The enemy shoots at them, they shoot back. Sometimes they get killed, sometimes they get captured.
Because that is what I am referring to, sailors having to fight on land as foot soldiers.
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Old 09-18-2017, 11:22 PM
 
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But sometimes the lines get blurred. Generally, the DoD prefers to do it when the pretext is legally solid, but if it looks like some would go to prison if the action were made public, they'll let the CIA handle it.
When has that ever happened though? The Bay of Pigs is mostly cuban exiles.
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Old 09-18-2017, 11:24 PM
 
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The CIA did not have the SEAL team do it for them. The mission was a DOD mission, not a CIA one.

At that, not sure what your point is. You asked if they do combat, I answered yes. There is a lot that goes into whether the CIA or military conducts a mission, as well as a lot into the allotment of CIA forces (which the military can be attached to) in a country (meaning that the CIA is not bound by troop limits, neither are the military forces attached to the CIA).
What are some battles the CIA has actually fought?
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Old 09-19-2017, 05:29 AM
 
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Because that is what I am referring to, sailors having to fight on land as foot soldiers.
Too narrow a definition of war or of fighting.
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Old 09-19-2017, 05:31 AM
 
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When has that ever happened though? The Bay of Pigs is mostly cuban exiles.
The CIA does not have any combat maneuver elements. They can get together a squad or so. But generally, that's not something the CIA does, and yes, more often a CIA officer will more likely just be an adviser (or irritant) to some other actual combat maneuver element.
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