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Old 09-19-2017, 06:40 AM
 
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What are some battles the CIA has actually fought?
They don't fight battles but they do have paramilitary 'employees'. Some came to light during the early afganistan war.
Specialized non conventional they don't fight battles but do conduct operations
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Old 09-19-2017, 06:45 AM
 
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The CIA does not have any combat maneuver elements. They can get together a squad or so. But generally, that's not something the CIA does, and yes, more often a CIA officer will more likely just be an adviser (or irritant) to some other actual combat maneuver element.
Which makes them similar to the United States Army Special Forces, in that advisory/trainer role being a primary mission. Going back into fiction before the special forces bias kicks in to two Vietnam movies, the first set in WWII with Frank Sinatra as an Office of Strategic Services,the predecessor to the CIA, (OSS) officer leading indigenous forces the second being the famous The Green Berets were the two A-Teams, generally 12 soldiers were leading South Vietnamese and ethnic Montagnard troops. Even in the second battle of that film, the raid showing the team fighting together not leading the Vietnamese around team a large part of their force were Montagnards.

There being no Army Ranger units during Vietnam until the look range patrols were renamed Rangers, as that looked better in official dispatches than Lurps, some special forces were split off of that primary mission seen in the first big battle of The Green Berets movie for the second raid and behind the lines recon as seen in the second smaller battle in the film. Given his personality in the first two films I would suspect that John Rambo was more the behind the lines raiding Special Forces type than the leader of indigenous Mike Forces Special Forces type And lead in real life the post Vietnam War development of Delta to be more specialist in such missions

You could say that the OSS teams are the real predecessor to Army Special Forces even if they show their official linage to Merrill's Marauders which, if the movie was accurate, was a large Ranger unit, as was the Devil's Brigade.

You could say in what I am calling the special forces bias which kicked into fictional portrayals of characters, more so than actual combat films, in the 1990s did not exist as in the show Sea Hunt with Lloyd Bridges. Although he had the special skill set and military biography but even as memories of specific episodes fade I don't remember any Mike Nelson was UDT emphasis. I can't remember if the late 80s remake had Ron Ely as a vet at all with the remake being less violent there was no need to make him be an ex SEAL. But given the thesis of the thread it could have happened.
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Old 09-21-2017, 05:28 PM
 
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Because they are the bad asses. I am not jealous because I served proudly as a support element. I am confident that somewhere in the process my and your support were key to their success. I think a special ops guys will admit that too.
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Old 09-22-2017, 11:24 AM
 
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They're not going to make a movie about the guy stationed in San Diego, that never deployed, worked in an office, and got out after 4 years (or less), but has 80-90% disability, including PTSD.
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Old 09-22-2017, 11:35 AM
 
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They're not going to make a movie about the guy stationed in San Diego, that never deployed, worked in an office, and got out after 4 years (or less), but has 80-90% disability, including PTSD.
But why not Detective Holmes Special Agent Sherlock who took his G.I. Bill benefits and education beyond BUDS or Ranger School into public service? I guess there was Goren of Criminal Intent who was a CID Agent. But the franchise still had their Army Ranger on the SVU squad. For post Vietnam era detectives 50% of the veterans were special operating forces
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