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Old 04-04-2018, 12:56 PM
 
Location: San Diego CA
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Gomer Pyle was on the tube when I went through Marine Corps boot camp during Vietnam. The reality was during that time that goof offs were treated very harshly back then. There was for instance a correctional custody platoon (CCP) where recruits marched with sledgehammers and shovels alternately breaking big rocks into small rocks and digging holes and filing them back in.
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Old 04-05-2018, 12:20 AM
 
Location: Wasilla, AK
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Gomer Pyle was on the tube when I went through Marine Corps boot camp during Vietnam. The reality was during that time that goof offs were treated very harshly back then. There was for instance a correctional custody platoon (CCP) where recruits marched with sledgehammers and shovels alternately breaking big rocks into small rocks and digging holes and filing them back in.
During our mess and maintenance week I worked in the mess hall, so I got to see the CCP types come in at meal time. Everything was whistle command. They would enter the chow line on whistle command, stand by their table and sit on whistle command, then start eating on whistle command, etc. That had to be an absolutely brutal and miserable experience. We also got to see them marching to and from their rock piles. Same with Motivation Platoon and one day moto. Like most recruits, I got with the program and graduated with my original platoon.
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Old 04-05-2018, 08:32 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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I was in the Navy for six years as a machinist mate. Is that not good enough for Hollywood?

One of my most favorite movies is the 1973 classic, "The Last Detail." It's a rather mundane on the surface story about two Navy lifers escorting a young offender to serve serious time for theft. Yet, it is also one of the funniest movies I have ever seen, and many Navy vets can relate to the characters, the way they talk, the situations they get in, etc. Not an explosion or gunfight in sight, yet no less an absorbing movie.

Anyone else feel this way?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsw_a8jYm5g
Yes, I do feel this way.

I have been put in my place once by an older veteran at a VA hospital because I bragged about my brother, my friends, and the guy I dated. They were Force Recon/MARSOC. The veteran told me hero worship is looked down upon in the military and I should be ashamed of myself.

I was hurt by the comment, but my friends told me he got a point. NOT one person can win the war, and as a civilian, I should never compare military branches, or put people down because I have not earned it. My brother told me everything needs to be earned in the military and I have not earned anything and I should stay humble. This happened 10+ years ago and the older veteran who put me in my place and I became great friends.

I was born in 1985 and I am very fascinated by American military. The more I learn, the quicker I realize that one cannot really define "elite" or "most elite". A lot of special forces have niche roles, so how can you compare one niche role to another?

I have a friend who was with 1st battalion and 5th Marine. I read it somewhere that these are legendary war fighters. However, you'd never hear about them. I've been told by one of my friends that convoy missions involve many support personnel and their job is very dangerous.

I have a friend who lost both legs, and he is an Army ranger, but I also have a friend who lost both his legs and he is just a supply guy in the Marine Corps. Are you going to tell me the ranger is more elite than the supply Marine? Nah, I don't think so.

Hollywood wants to create super heroes. Like I said earlier, my heroes are not some old actors, the heroes are everyday people. My friends, my loved one, and my family members. They are my heroes.
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Old 04-05-2018, 12:59 PM
 
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Yes, I do feel this way.

I have been put in my place once by an older veteran at a VA hospital because I bragged about my brother, my friends, and the guy I dated. They were Force Recon/MARSOC. The veteran told me hero worship is looked down upon in the military and I should be ashamed of myself.

I was hurt by the comment, but my friends told me he got a point. NOT one person can win the war, and as a civilian, I should never compare military branches, or put people down because I have not earned it. My brother told me everything needs to be earned in the military and I have not earned anything and I should stay humble. This happened 10+ years ago and the older veteran who put me in my place and I became great friends.

I was born in 1985 and I am very fascinated by American military. The more I learn, the quicker I realize that one cannot really define "elite" or "most elite". A lot of special forces have niche roles, so how can you compare one niche role to another?

I have a friend who was with 1st battalion and 5th Marine. I read it somewhere that these are legendary war fighters. However, you'd never hear about them. I've been told by one of my friends that convoy missions involve many support personnel and their job is very dangerous.

I have a friend who lost both legs, and he is an Army ranger, but I also have a friend who lost both his legs and he is just a supply guy in the Marine Corps. Are you going to tell me the ranger is more elite than the supply Marine? Nah, I don't think so.

Hollywood wants to create super heroes. Like I said earlier, my heroes are not some old actors, the heroes are everyday people. My friends, my loved one, and my family members. They are my heroes.
In a very prosaic manner, I faced that issue when I had the opportunity to sit on a couple of Navy rating boards at Pearl Harbor (and as an Air Force senior NCO at that).

When we had a bunch of, say, Petty Officer 1st Class of various ratings competing for a small number of "promote ahead of peers" commanding officer recommendations, it was important not to be swayed by the "sexy jobs."

There might be a SEAL competing for "promote ahead of peers" against a yeoman. But that might be a mediocre SEAL (compared to other SEALs) and that might be a sierra-hotel yeoman (compared to other yeomen). It was important to understand that it was better to give that sierra-hotel yeoman the opportunity to be a leader of yeomen than to let that mediocre SEAL become a leader of SEALs.
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Old 04-05-2018, 05:08 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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Yes, I do feel this way.

I have been put in my place once by an older veteran at a VA hospital because I bragged about my brother, my friends, and the guy I dated. They were Force Recon/MARSOC. The veteran told me hero worship is looked down upon in the military and I should be ashamed of myself.

I was hurt by the comment, but my friends told me he got a point. NOT one person can win the war, and as a civilian, I should never compare military branches, or put people down because I have not earned it. My brother told me everything needs to be earned in the military and I have not earned anything and I should stay humble. This happened 10+ years ago and the older veteran who put me in my place and I became great friends.

I was born in 1985 and I am very fascinated by American military. The more I learn, the quicker I realize that one cannot really define "elite" or "most elite". A lot of special forces have niche roles, so how can you compare one niche role to another?

I have a friend who was with 1st battalion and 5th Marine. I read it somewhere that these are legendary war fighters. However, you'd never hear about them. I've been told by one of my friends that convoy missions involve many support personnel and their job is very dangerous.

I have a friend who lost both legs, and he is an Army ranger, but I also have a friend who lost both his legs and he is just a supply guy in the Marine Corps. Are you going to tell me the ranger is more elite than the supply Marine? Nah, I don't think so.

Hollywood wants to create super heroes. Like I said earlier, my heroes are not some old actors, the heroes are everyday people. My friends, my loved one, and my family members. They are my heroes.
Generally, you'll find that members of SEALs, Rangers and other very selective "elite" forces often tend to very low key in their demeanor and don't call attention to themselves. Might be because from habit - you have to keep a low profile for safety/security out in the field. And it's also out of recognition that everyone in the service has a vital role to fulfill, as you've mentioned. Also, it's bad form to brag.
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Old 04-05-2018, 08:54 PM
 
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In a very prosaic manner, I faced that issue when I had the opportunity to sit on a couple of Navy rating boards at Pearl Harbor (and as an Air Force senior NCO at that).

When we had a bunch of, say, Petty Officer 1st Class of various ratings competing for a small number of "promote ahead of peers" commanding officer recommendations, it was important not to be swayed by the "sexy jobs."

There might be a SEAL competing for "promote ahead of peers" against a yeoman. But that might be a mediocre SEAL (compared to other SEALs) and that might be a sierra-hotel yeoman (compared to other yeomen). It was important to understand that it was better to give that sierra-hotel yeoman the opportunity to be a leader of yeomen than to let that mediocre SEAL become a leader of SEALs.
My understanding was that SEAL officers (leaders) had to be a cut above the rank and file SEAL otherwise they simply washed out all together.

A yeomen vs a seal are apples and oranges, I dont know why they would even be side by side in a promotion, unless this was for general officer ranks or something and their paths converged at the pentagon. But if someone was able to be an officer in the seals and didnt wash out then they were not mediocre.

However strategy and just being a hard core operator are 2 different things.
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