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Old 10-06-2017, 01:07 PM
 
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It's more than likely this is a hoax.

My version.
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Old 10-06-2017, 03:01 PM
 
Location: Tampa, FL
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It's just as likely this is a hoax.
could be - would you just have ignored that it actually happened? would you have punished those who reported it? I can tell you those two courses of action would probably backfire on you.....
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Old 10-06-2017, 03:50 PM
 
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could be - would you just have ignored that it actually happened? would you have punished those who reported it? I can tell you those two courses of action would probably backfire on you.....

No. I would have done what the general did.
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Old 11-09-2017, 03:17 AM
 
Location: USA
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Update. Go to CNN for the update. Turns out a black student wrote the remarks. Now the general needs to provide a grand stand apology.
Yep.

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But on Tuesday, Air Force Academy officials said that one of the black cadet candidates actually wrote the racist messages.

"We can confirm that one of the cadet candidates who was allegedly targeted by racist remarks written outside their dorm room was actually responsible for the act," the Academy said in a written statement. "The individual admitted responsibility and this was validated by the investigation."

The vandalism was written in black marker and said "Go home" with the N-word, according to CNN affiliate KRDO.
Lt. Col. Allen Herritage, director of public affairs with the Academy, said that the cadet responsible admitted his guilt when confronted.
Racist graffiti at Air Force Academy: A black cadet wrote it - CNN
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Old 11-09-2017, 06:03 AM
 
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No apology needed--the sentiment and intent are true.

But the guy who did it should get the same penalty, regardless of race.
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Old 11-09-2017, 09:22 AM
 
Location: SC
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No, no apology is needed from the General. What he said is no less true today. He didn't accuse EVERY cadet of being a racist, he just pointed out to those who are that it is unacceptable.

However. The student who made the false accusations needs to be identified. He needs to stand up to the Academy and to the public in general and explain himself. It is bad enough that the everyday racist actions of some people get swept under the rug. It is worst that the student has now fed into the false narrative that there is no racism - and that so many of the claims are false. He has done both the non-black and especially the black community a huge disservice and should be called on it.

He "cried wolf" and needs to publicly account for himself.

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Old 11-09-2017, 12:46 PM
 
Location: East of the Sun, West of the Moon
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I am very jaded about all these racist graffiti and vandalism, nooses, etc. but I don't think the General needs to apologize one iota for his speech or its content. Everything he said was true and valid regardless of the veracity of the incident that precipitated it.

However, I think our leaders need to look at incidents like this far closer before jumping to conclusions and placing blame.

The Boy Who Cried Wolf is getting awfully hoarse.
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Old 11-09-2017, 01:06 PM
 
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Hell with that, apology needed, or better yet, another speech about this issue in that it was a hoax and will not be tolerated.

I hated stuff like this when I was in the Navy, dragging everyone out to preach at them because some idiot somewhere did something, as if I or anyone else had anything to do with it.
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Old 11-09-2017, 02:38 PM
 
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Hell with that, apology needed, or better yet, another speech about this issue in that it was a hoax and will not be tolerated.

I hated stuff like this when I was in the Navy, dragging everyone out to preach at them because some idiot somewhere did something, as if I or anyone else had anything to do with it.
What is then general going to say? That he didn't mean any of it? The general doesn't have to apologize, but that student is going to spend some time standing at attention while getting his butt reamed before being shown the door.
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Old 11-09-2017, 03:02 PM
 
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What is then general going to say? That he didn't mean any of it? The general doesn't have to apologize, but that student is going to spend some time standing at attention while getting his butt reamed before being shown the door.
The speech in my opinion was accusatory, it was made before an investigation was complete, and it ultimately was based on an event that did not concur the way he and the speech made it appear to have occurred. If there is evidence presented that he was going to make that speech irregardless of what happened, I will change my mind then.

What will he say? He can give the same speech except this time he can give it over the subject of making hoaxes like this, and jumping to conclusions before facts are in and investigations are complete, something students can apply to their future careers.

These things he did just irk me. I had an incident happen years ago that was similar to this, in that a sexual assault happened, all hands mustered for the CO to give a preach to everyone (on my day off no less), then find out it was all a hoax because she wanted to be transferred closer to home. Sure, what the CO said was no false, but it was based off of BS, and it was accusatory in nature.
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