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Old 10-12-2017, 10:49 AM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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The necessity of the superintendent having to respond in this way to this incident kind of leave me shaking my head.

There have been West Point graduates who have done far more serious things, including domestic rape and murder and combat war crimes. The superintendent has not had to respond to any of those things. Those things were immediately dismissed as the acts of one bad man.

But "Communist" is merely hitting a lot of emotion triggers, and in the long run, not even significant emotion triggers.
I think the question that grads have had was whether he should have even been allowed to graduate. The letter is in response to alumni concerns.

Sure, grads have committed crimes, and hopefully been punished for them.

It still seems to me that Rapone got his degree under false pretences, never intending to follow the rules of the service.
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Old 10-12-2017, 12:34 PM
 
Location: SW OK (AZ Native)
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I think the question that grads have had was whether he should have even been allowed to graduate. The letter is in response to alumni concerns.

Sure, grads have committed crimes, and hopefully been punished for them.

It still seems to me that Rapone got his degree under false pretences, never intending to follow the rules of the service.

Not the first time this has been done. There are several instances of individuals going through advanced military training to get certain certifications (for free) only to then make some sort of claim that gets them booted from the service. When I was a lieutenant a student pilot went through training, received her wings, got through KC-135 tanker training, and then asserted that she was lesbian, well before the "Don't ask, don't tell" policy. She had a commercial certificate, and instrument rating, and a multi-engine Boeing product type rating which she took to the airlines after she was removed from the military. Lesbian? Nope. Reformed, I guess. Fraudulent. Absolutely, but hard to prove, unless someone could show she was straight. Probably didn't care about the discharge since an officer doesn't receive a OOTH or dishonorable or BC discharge without a court-martial.

Most people who claimed to be gay/lesbian did so to get out of service. It's rare to see someone do so afterwards, but just before Desert Storm there were suddenly quite a few conscientious objectors, convenient pregnancies, and sexual orientation reversals.
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Old 10-12-2017, 05:44 PM
 
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Given what little I really know, I assume a commander's investigation or Article 32 investigation is going on. So whatever comes out of that with the UCMJ as an offense (if so) would be what I would go for.

However, this officer showed poor judgement and was seeking trouble. So whatever the outcome is i hope it is severe. Officers just can't be that stupid and brazen and safely/successfully lead troops. No one opens their uniform at that occasion and officers should keep their ideology on their T shirt to themselves while in uniform.
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Old 10-12-2017, 07:36 PM
 
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Legal issues aside, I would never place him over anyone, nor in any critical area. He would not have my confidence in his ability as a leader.
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Old 10-13-2017, 04:08 AM
 
Location: Tampa, FL
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Given what little I really know, I assume a commander's investigation or Article 32 investigation is going on. So whatever comes out of that with the UCMJ as an offense (if so) would be what I would go for.

However, this officer showed poor judgement and was seeking trouble. So whatever the outcome is i hope it is severe. Officers just can't be that stupid and brazen and safely/successfully lead troops. No one opens their uniform at that occasion and officers should keep their ideology on their T shirt to themselves while in uniform.
Nauseating every time I see the pictures of him posing with his communist political sign or Che Guevara shirt under his uniform.
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