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Old 10-03-2017, 07:06 PM
 
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Maybe nothing will happen to this guy at all and we will learn that it's ok to be a communist or socialist while serving in the military because that's what being inclusive is all about.


I hope not but I wouldn't bet against it.
It is, but like the link says, he was in uniform at graduation. He can be a communist or whatever he wants in his free time, but when he's in a military uniform representing the US Army getting their education, he shouldn't be so stupid. We all (hopefully) know that free speech doesn't mean you're free from consequences of your beliefs or actions, especially in work or education environments - or both, as here. It is against policy for people in uniform to promote political beliefs.
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Old 10-03-2017, 09:15 PM
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Location: Wasilla, AK
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It is, but like the link says, he was in uniform at graduation. He can be a communist or whatever he wants in his free time, but when he's in a military uniform representing the US Army getting their education, he shouldn't be so stupid. We all (hopefully) know that free speech doesn't mean you're free from consequences of your beliefs or actions, especially in work or education environments - or both, as here. It is against policy for people in uniform to promote political beliefs.
When I was in the military I remember having to answer questions about being a member of the Communist Party, among others. So there is a limit as to what you can do even during your off time. And officers are even more limited than enlisted in what they can say and do whether on duty or off.
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Old 10-03-2017, 09:48 PM
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Location: Pittsburgh
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Graduated from High School and joined the Army, was selected and accepted to the United States Military Academy at West Point, for four years and was commissioned as an Officer in the United States Army. The U.S. Tax payer paid for his four years of college.

Are you understanding any of the above?

A "joke gone bad?"
I would have to talk to the kid to understand what he was thinking. I guess you feel people are super smart at that age. I certainly DON'T! Young people do dumb things, that doesn't mean we throw them away, we talk to them and try to understand what he was thinking. It might have been a stupid idea of a joke. I don't hang people so easily like YOU do. I stick to my thinking! Also, being a fiscal conservative, which is SUPER rare these days, I would rather straighten the kid out instead of throwing all that investment away.

How about we ask the kid? Geez!
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Old 10-03-2017, 10:39 PM
 
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I would have to talk to the kid to understand what he was thinking. I guess you feel people are super smart at that age. I certainly DON'T! Young people do dumb things, that doesn't mean we throw them away, we talk to them and try to understand what he was thinking. It might have been a stupid idea of a joke. I don't hang people so easily like YOU do. I stick to my thinking! Also, being a fiscal conservative, which is SUPER rare these days, I would rather straighten the kid out instead of throwing all that investment away.

How about we ask the kid? Geez!
KID?? Are you messing with us or do you really mean that?

You do not get an appointment to our Service Academy's while serving by being a "kid". Only a kid would think that. What's next, John G Roberts is just some some lawyer?
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Old 10-04-2017, 05:22 AM
 
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You do not get an appointment to our Service Academy's while serving by being a "kid". Only a kid would think that. What's next, John G Roberts is just some some lawyer?
Okay, Rabrrita, a lot of people who have not served may not have understood the nuance in that sentence.

Entering an officer accession program from active duty is different from entering out of the civilian ranks. A "kid" might get an appointment through Congressional channels (and having an excellent school record). A college graduate might get a slot at OCS by grades and major and not having been arrested.

But someone entering an officer accession program from active duty has a military record that is an open and clear book that needs to be written in very specific ways. He or she is competing with other troops who can be described in ways that do or do not specifically speak to the needs and desires of the military.

When I was an active duty supervisor, I had a couple of young troops that I really considered officer material, I'd intentionally point them to activities that would be sexy endorsement fodder and use words in their performance reports that would read well if/when attached to an application.

In this case, it appears this guy's supervisors may had done that ill-advisedly, but generally speaking an active duty member entering officer accession programs much meet a much more stringent standard than those entering off the street.
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Old 10-04-2017, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Falls Church, Fairfax County
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KID?? Are you messing with us or do you really mean that?

You do not get an appointment to our Service Academy's while serving by being a "kid". Only a kid would think that. What's next, John G Roberts is just some some lawyer?
Get off your high horse. It is just a matter of perspective, they often our considered to be kids, those being appointed to a Service Academy being young and the majority not being able to legally drink in most states.

We had West Point Cadets at my basic training and even though they were really squared away they were young, being a couple of years older than most of us. I am not sure of any SGT Major that was happy having a West Point cadet come in and acting like hot ****.
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Old 10-04-2017, 10:20 AM
 
Location: New Mexico U.S.A.
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How about we ask the kid? Geez!
Why don't you do that. If you can...
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Old 10-04-2017, 11:16 AM
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Okay after reading more about this, I think I will retract my thoughts on him being a "kid" as he is 25, so he should be aware of the consequences. Guess he can kiss his career goodbye, not to mention his future isn't going to look very bright around the US anyway.
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Old 10-04-2017, 11:22 AM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Okay after reading more about this, I think I will retract my thoughts on him being a "kid" as he is 25, so he should be aware of the consequences. Guess he can kiss his career goodbye, not to mention his future isn't going to look very bright around the US anyway.
Unfortunately, there are probably some colleges and universities in the US that would hire him in a heartbeat - to teach.
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Old 10-04-2017, 11:23 AM
 
Location: Falls Church, Fairfax County
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Okay after reading more about this, I think I will retract my thoughts on him being a "kid" as he is 25, so he should be aware of the consequences. Guess he can kiss his career goodbye, not to mention his future isn't going to look very bright around the US anyway.
If he serves out his obligation and leaves the military on good terms that West Point Degree should help him out.

To me I am glad he did this rather than get in a position and leak documents as other nitwits before have.

I really have no care or concern about this as I think the Army will handle it appropriately.
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